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airport who has announced that a flying

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bear has been found and is now in the

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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welcome fade to black the spoke radio

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hi you doin today's Tuesday May 1st 2018

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this is fade to black for kjc are the

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planets on those 2 meters what is

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cracking everybody how you doing yeah

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tonight very special guests ken Johnston

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is here NASA image whistleblower that's

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brent Colin who has there it has a keen

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ready to go tomorrow night Michaela

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shelled it is here and I'm just gonna

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say this and all of our guests every

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single night every night of the week

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every week of the month all of our

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always great and and and that's that's

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she is back tomorrow night very excited

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and you can follow me right now on

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platform no look if you if you enjoy it

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the advertising and you don't mind the

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data collection and you don't mind the

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that stam Facebook use both use both I

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story but you know that's woody what do

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walking away from Facebook but using

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phones okay I'm just gonna continue to

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I'm not putting anybody on hold and

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you're just gonna get disconnected watch

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man you're not listening listen to the

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radio right now okay quit clogging up my

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today is day 7 of on stellar now I wanna

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say this so everybody understands

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exactly what I'm saying here today's day

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seven of alpha testing day seven of

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alpha testing now we've done so many

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improvements but before for those out

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there that don't know what on stellar

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on stellar is a new social media

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platform okay now what you need to

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understand it is based on the blockchain

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social media Twitter if you're used to

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all of that then you're gonna sign on to

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on stellar starts your account get your

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profile going and you're gonna be

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totally comfortable all of those

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features and everything that you need in

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one in a social media platform are there

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except no advertising and if you have no

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data mining no data collection none of

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social media experience that you used to

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know and love is back no advertising and

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it's one of the things that just grabs

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of the dopamine going is that there's no

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advertising you're actually hanging out

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it's it's it's such a throwback

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old-school thing it's just a tool right

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now the beautiful thing about it is the

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blockchain is going to get at it in this

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world this on stellar world and there

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are thousands and thousands and

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thousands on this website right now

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hanging out so you can go and check it

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out but this little bubble this on

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stellar bubble is going to have

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its own token economy its own money its

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stellar token oh and Esty it's just a

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little thing and and you're gonna have a

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little digital wallet so you're gonna

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creator you're making videos if you're

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posting over on on YouTube right now I'm

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posting a video and and praying for

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clicks and because you've got

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advertising and you need to get to a

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the thing and I yeah and you're just

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that's gonna fill up how beautiful is

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that all built for us and it's

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incredible you can go check it out right

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now you can go and register right now at

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alpha dot on stellar dot-com all right

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Rita can you get the links up there for

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on stellar for me really quick and I'll

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retweet it out but I'm so look at this

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look at this look at you guys how

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beautiful is that mark that's gonna get

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a retweet every single time my friend

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beautiful and it's uh and before you

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wonder you know is it working I don't

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get it what do you mean social media

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have you been on Facebook have you been

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that's what it is it's no different and

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it's gorgeous and it works and it's fun

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so go and check out on stellar today and

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I'm looking at if you follow me on

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twitter @jj Rydia look at these on

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stellar screengrabs off of cellphones

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trending right now look at that that's

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on stellar it's beautiful abs

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beautiful okay all right so that's on

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stellar on stellar alpha on stellar calm

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alpha on stellar calm and you can use

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the promo code Jimmy referral code and

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there you go okay on stellar daka don't

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use the promo code doesn't matter to me

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I just want you to go and hang out the

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future has arrived yes it has

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there is no question about that the

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future has definitely arrived I can't

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believe how perfect how beautiful the

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website is okay I keep calling it a

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website it's a platform it's not a

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website totally different okay there you

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alpha on stellar calm and excuse me for

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that we're coming up now in less than

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four weeks contacting the desert June

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and a spa you want to go we have four

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great days we'll be broadcasting live

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Friday night everybody's there Giorgio

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tsoukalos Erich von däniken George Noory

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Howe Steve Murillo he's there Jason quit

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is there it is there's 35 40 speakers

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this year so go and check it out over at

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contact in the desert back home get your

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tickets and stuff and we'll see you out

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there in Palm Springs it's going to be

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great and then I just mentioned our sole

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tech gathering up at ISA T ranch this

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August 9th through the 12th and that is

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up at Mount Adams East Eddie Trout Lake

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Washington one of the most magical

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places on this planet

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II said II ranch our sole tech gathering

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so of course I'll be I'll be hanging out

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I'm going to emcee all weekend we got

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james gilliland speaking we have we have

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a special guests we're about to announce

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so Dana Harvey all right so come in and

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comm we're only selling 300 tickets

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everybody that's it that's it and then

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let's give the show crack and happy

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birthday to director Wes Anderson today

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is 49 that's right Wes Anderson now one

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of the most influential directors in

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Hollywood on me personally I'll never

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forget the first time I saw Bottlerocket

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changed me that followed that up with

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Rushmore back to back and Rushmore still

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to the stage one of the one of the most

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extraordinary films in the history of

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Hollywood right Wes Anderson but then

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check this out follow that up with the

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Royal Tenenbaums

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I've watched that well I've seen them

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all I've seen all of these dozens of

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times but the Royal Tenenbaums I don't

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know how many times I've seen a 50

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hundred The Life Aquatic with Steve

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Zissou an incredible film the dejar

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lling limited how about the fantastic

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mr. Fox moonrise kingdom in the grand

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budapest hotel the grand budapest hotel

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was amazing

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that's his career now he's got the

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Isle of Dogs is his next project that

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was released last week two weeks ago

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April something like that and that's a

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pretty incredible film too as well so

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there you go happy birthday Wes Anderson

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on this day in history OTD happened 1960

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u-2 spy planes shot down while

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conducting espionage over the Soviet

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Union did it with a missile they didn't

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think that the Russians had that TAC

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well they did the incident derailed an

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important summit meeting between

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President Dwight d Eisenhower and Soviet

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leader Nikita Khrushchev and that that

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meeting was scheduled for the same month

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oops hey JC did you see Gibson guitars

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filed for bankruptcy yes I did

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well actually they kind of filed for

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bankruptcy I mean in a weird way but

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it's a weird bankruptcy the owner of the

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company just gave up his stock to the

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creditors and so they own the company

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and and everything is gonna continue

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they did by Philips Electronics right

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the consumer brand and like they just

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gave it away

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there's something going on funky there

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but Gibson's gonna be hanging out there

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not going out of business they just got

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new owners and I think it's a good

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decision by the way all right

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fader facts this okay now I try to make

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these as interesting as possible okay so

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listen to this I this is so cool I

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didn't even mention it to Rita because I

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knew that we would ya Gary Powers was

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the pilot Gary Powers after that you

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know so they get him back out of the

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Soviet Union and he comes over here and

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flies a helicopter like for a news

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station traffic helicopter there you go

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not our IP Gibson no Jordan Gibson's not

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going anywhere see see what you did you

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freaked everybody out Eddie you don't

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want to freak people

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Gibson isn't going anywhere the Les

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Paul's not going anywhere flying these

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not going anywhere explorers on going

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anywhere I think they're getting rid of

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one of their some guitar division but

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nonetheless ok Theater fact I try to

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make these as interesting as possible

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and if I would have if I would have laid

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this on Rita today we would have talked

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about this all afternoon so I'm gonna

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share it with you and now you can go and

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talk about it I want to see your tweets

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all right and everybody over in the UK

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want to hear what you have to say about

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this the Queen the queen of the UK is

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the legal owner of 1/6 of the Earth's

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did you hear what I just said the Queen

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of England is the legal owner of 1/6 of

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think about what I just said think about

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what I just said that's incredible so

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you are cleared to go and talk about it

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all right

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tonight first time guest ken Johnston is

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here NASA image whistleblower he's going

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to be joined at the bottom of the next

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hour with Brett Cowen and who has found

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some of these most of these anomalies in

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in Ken's images so we have a fantastic

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show lined up tonight we've got got

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about 8 or 10 images here that we're

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going to be discussing we'll try to get

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them all in before the end of the show

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we'll be tweeting those out so

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gonna come out and Twitter so just relax

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you're gonna be able to see them all and

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talk about it too as well

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okay now tomorrow night Michaela Sheldon

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is here Thursday night is another

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failure night with Jon Rappoport in his

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no more fake newsroom live I'm really

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enjoying everybody's screen shots that

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you're taking of on stellar and for

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those out there that haven't seen on

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stellar yet go over to my Twitter feed

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at Jay Church radio or a hashtag f2b

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it's very simple go over to my Twitter

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feed and go through and look at these

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screenshots that is just you know and

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that's I can't help but hang out and

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that that's why I I can't I can't get

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off of the website it's so much fun so

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go and look at those thank you for

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posting those you guys are really cool

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taking the time to do that

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alright so now nothing is what it seems

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nothing somebody signed my yearbook I

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was a probably freshman year sophomore

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year and my my dad who was in the Army

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Band right so I'm down in in Panama and

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and I get my yearbook and I was hanging

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out with the band one day and you know

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there's I don't know 75 a hundred of

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them were friends of my dad's and I was

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you know his friend something like 14

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years old and I had my yearbook and I

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was showing everybody you know my ear

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bucket is coming here buddy and one of

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these members I would love to catch up

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to them someday

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sign to my yearbook

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they said hey you want you know you want

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to Society yeah sign my yearbook so his

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name is Steve and he signed it and later

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on I went home and I opened up the

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yearbook and

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I looked to see what he signed and he

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said this Jimmy you will find out that

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the world is never what it seems and I

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stopped and I looked at that I mean it

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was you know especially at that age you

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know I'm 14 it it stayed with me to this

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day Here I am on the air talking about

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that autograph in my yearbook from 1977

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78 20 years ago alright 30 years ago 40

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I just don't want to feel that old okay

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and as I went through life for a lot of

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different reasons but that signature

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really opened up my eyes and I used to

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that one sentence and I used to repeat

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it all the time well I still do but I

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used to repeat it and I used to try to

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sound as intelligent as what that

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signature with that statement said of my

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yearbook how intelligent it felt to me

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so I started to use it a lot because it

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had so much impact the world is never

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what it seems to be right never well

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last night I

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I talked again about some things that

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are going on and you know a researcher

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that's you know he's doing his thing and

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he's got a whistleblower dude in the

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defense industry and and so in that that

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there's this new thing and now there's

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another name for this Pentagon project

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that wasn't you know matching this and

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the old name didn't match and the

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Pentagon says it doesn't and underneath

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that you have other people that are

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working there that are involved with

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these documents and the documents that

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aren't secret the documents have been

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out on

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for for four years and I've had them for

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a year so that there is no real

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whistleblower the documents you know

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they are probably real I'm not worried

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about that but but they're certainly not

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secret but somebody says they want to be

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secret and it was leaked to him and and

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all these chess pieces moving around

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going from one camp into the other into

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this and to that one guy says that he's

479
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never heard of this person but he's

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using that person's documents but yet

481
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he's never heard of them but then over

482
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on the other side they don't know what's

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going on they don't know that they're in

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possession of these documents and they

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it's like this insanity and then there's

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other people that are coming into the

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middle of it well I just talked to this

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person and this person just talked to it

489
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and I really know what's going on no you

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don't I really know what's going on and

491
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no no no over there they really need

492
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it's it's like this insanity and I

493
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backed up today you know and I was had a

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few phone calls with some of these

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players that are involved in this mess

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and the one that was in the middle

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that's a friend of mine who I love

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dearly I'm not gonna name names here

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because I'm just I'm just not gonna do

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it but we were just laughing about it

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laughing and and I mean in a serious way

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everybody wants to be a part of the the

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narrative who they want to be injected

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into the story when they are not and and

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I'm backing up and my comment today to

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everybody which even to Rita Rita came

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in to the bunker and she's like you know

508
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so what's going on

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you know why you so wound up I said you

510
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know because I don't care anymore it's

511
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just no I don't believe the world is not

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what it seems it's not what it seems

513
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I don't trust things I that's it that's

514
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that's it I'm not

515
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I'm not just going with this stuff

516
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anymore I know so much and I'm hearing

517
00:26:50,490 --> 00:26:47,020
different things from different people

518
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and none of it lines up and I'm not

519
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calling anybody out I'm not going hey

520
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you know I just hung up the phone with

521
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this person they're telling me that you

522
00:26:59,640 --> 00:26:57,760
know and and I'm gonna call somebody

523
00:27:01,200 --> 00:26:59,650
after I'm done hanging up with you and

524
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:01,210
we're gonna laugh at what you're saying

525
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:03,790
right now and and so forth I just don't

526
00:27:11,299 --> 00:27:07,210
do it and it just makes me feel like and

527
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:11,309
especially when it comes to ufology I

528
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:14,530
step back and it's nothing is what it

529
00:27:20,130 --> 00:27:15,510
seems

530
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:20,140
nothing it's absolutely incredible

531
00:27:24,990 --> 00:27:22,090
it's incredible I don't know I don't

532
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:25,000
know I don't know all I know is this is

533
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:28,510
I love this audience I have seen things

534
00:27:33,270 --> 00:27:30,880
in the sky I have seen things off the

535
00:27:34,409 --> 00:27:33,280
ground I have seen strange things that I

536
00:27:37,740 --> 00:27:34,419
can't explain

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00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:37,750
I'm trying to figure it out and so have

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00:27:40,890 --> 00:27:38,290
you

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00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:40,900
we're gonna do this together and I had

540
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:43,049
said to three different people today

541
00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:47,290
three three different times I don't know

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what's going on but I'm gonna figure it

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out I don't I don't know what's going on

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but I'm gonna figure it out and when I

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do I'm going to speak about it and I put

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everybody on the checklist except for

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one and you know that person knows who

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he is so think about that this fade to

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tomorrow night Mikayla Sheldon is here

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tonight it's Ken Johnston and at the

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bottom of the next hour

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Brett Colin is gonna join us we're gonna

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be discussing these images now how did

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can get them we will be talking about

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that right

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has he avoided jail time we're gonna

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talk about that too he was employed

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NASA's civilian astronaut yeah think

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about that we're gonna discuss what that

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radio.com yeah Ken Johnston senior was

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one of four civilian astronaut

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consultant pilots from the Apollo moon

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program Ken as a retired aerospace

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worker served as a u.s. Marine and is a

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well known NASA whistleblower ken is

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well known because he who was a witness

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to history to NASA image manipulation

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and he saved an archive of early Apollo

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era photos that are original to the time

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before NASA digitized and created an

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online database of images Johnston used

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a loophole in his orders that he was

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given it to destroy five sets of eight

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by ten glossy photo prints from the

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Apollo program when he worked in the

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data and photo control lab in Houston

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during the moon missions he saved a set

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for his own records his archive is

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prized by researchers and lunar anomaly

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hunters because it has been discovered

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that there has been an intentional

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systematic physical and digital

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manipulation of NASA imagery and media

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in order to cover up what was found on

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the moon and recorded in film and photos

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by the Apollo astronauts Johnson was

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born at Fort Sam Houston Texas in 1942

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grew up in Texas Oklahoma and studied at

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the Oklahoma Military Academy in the

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Oklahoma City University before he

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enlisted in the military

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ken enlisted in the US Marines in August

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1962 and reported to Pensacola as a

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marine aviation cadet for flight

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training in September 1964 before Ken

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left the United States Marine Corps 1966

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earn his FAA pilot's license as a single

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and multi-engine instrument-rated flight

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instructor and was a qualified avionics

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technician his book is called Ken's moon

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revealing the dark mission of NASA and

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his links are over to me Church

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radio.com I would like to welcome for

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the first time to fade to black

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mr. Ken Johnston Ken good evening how

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are you good evening Jamie I'm doing a

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lot better right now well you know to me

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Ken these days and welcome to the

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program

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but these days can I've done so many

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shows over the years I don't get rattled

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it's all good don't you worry about it

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think that let's have some fun tonight

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and in the next hour

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everybody Bret Collin is going to be

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here too as well I met all of you before

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we get started and then all of you out

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of Roswell and Reed and I really enjoyed

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our time together and and finally we've

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got you on the show took a couple of

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years but you're here and and I know

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that you're on your way up to Canada for

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a conference up there we'll talk about

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that tonight but first you get the

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first-time guests disclaimer yeah are

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you ready candle is this yeah it's just

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you and I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where the

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00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:52,060
conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we're gonna end his

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friends you ready to go okay

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let's I want to hear about your

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background and the reason why and it's

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not with most interviews you do want to

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know about you know the background of

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your guests for the audience but for me

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I'm really interested in it because I'm

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a military brat I wanted to do the life

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that you did I mean if that was

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everybody's dream every every kid of the

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60s and the 50s and the 60s wanted your

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career path and that's exactly what you

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did so let's go back

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when all of this excitement was

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happening

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mercury right and Gemini and friendships

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and and in the original astronauts all

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of that was such an exciting time for

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the country so I'm assuming you were all

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wrapped up in it weren't you yes I was

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yeah exactly you left out one of them

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there you know you had the mercury in

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Gemini and we had the probability of

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Skylab and you know that only lasted a

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short period of time and then one of the

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things that I was even go back to the

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very beginning and say how I wound up

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there and looking back over the history

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I'm kind of jealous of what I got to do

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too yes I just hope I can keep the

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memory of going goes it's fantastic and

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so many people nowadays that weren't

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even born when we were doing with you

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know like I think they say over the

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00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:37,590
earth is flat probably does it say oh we

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didn't go to the moon with this that and

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I can love it occasionally because I'll

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tell em see okay let me ask you a

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question now you know what a Hubble

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00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:49,890
telescope it oh yeah I know okay and we

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00:38:54,140 --> 00:38:51,740
do have satellites to go around oh yeah

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and you know that the Hubble telescope

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they can zoom in on each one of the

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Apollo landing sites and you can find

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the descent stage of the lunar module

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still sitting at that website underneath

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that that site on the moon and then you

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can find the rover that they drove

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00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:12,180
around moment after Paula 14 and 15 16

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16 and 17 and I said so how did those

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get there if we didn't go to the moon

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and I usually get a kind of a long pause

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00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:22,560
well oh yeah I'm gonna have to think

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00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:24,090
about it yeah you should think about it

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00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:26,040
before you open your mouth so that's

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00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:27,990
kinda I get town you know buzz already

773
00:39:32,030 --> 00:39:30,210
got some a detour on the deck that one

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00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:32,040
guy we're saying that he lied that he

775
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didn't go yes yes yes yes and you know

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00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:40,170
we debate with it we debate that all the

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time on this show

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00:39:49,710 --> 00:39:46,410
you know did we go or not and my answers

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00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:49,720
are actually a little more unique then

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00:39:58,380 --> 00:39:53,680
if we went or not I think we went but

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but we went in a parallel program that's

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00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,310
my opinion that's that's my but what we

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00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:05,440
know what we'll spend a whole show

784
00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:08,230
talking about that but let's go back did

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you have a favorite astronaut before you

786
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got into the program oh not before well

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00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:19,330
they made the announcer in 1958 right

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when they the the the original so I mean

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everybody had a favorite astronaut you

790
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:28,510
had your astronaut trading cards it

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well yes and I did get to work with

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every one of them I never I joined the

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00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:40,210
NASA team back in 1966 the one that

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00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:43,570
became my my number one friend see I

795
00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:45,310
guess I didn't pick out any one of them

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because they were all so important and

797
00:40:52,290 --> 00:40:49,150
exciting to even know that they were

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00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:52,300
there John Glenn you know he probably

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was my number one and then of course

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Alan B Shepard was the first one to go

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suborbital and then later he got paid

802
00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:00,640
big yeah why they kept him from being

803
00:41:05,490 --> 00:41:02,500
able to fly again because he was number

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00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:05,500
one to go into space for America and

805
00:41:10,650 --> 00:41:07,390
then finally near the end and pello I

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guess that was 16 I'm just guessing off

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00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:13,600
the top of my head here right that that

808
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:16,540
he got to go now Jim Irwin though

809
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:18,850
excellent he was the number one friend

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00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:24,610
of mine really I always liked him a lot

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I liked em all I was the opposite John

812
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:30,250
Glenn was at the bottom of my list I

813
00:41:36,090 --> 00:41:32,650
always thought he was kind of boring and

814
00:41:39,780 --> 00:41:36,100
in you know but my guy was Gordon Cooper

815
00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:39,790
and all growing up yep there Gordon

816
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:42,430
Cooper now what he you know what he what

817
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,200
he means to our community today is

818
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:46,000
something else I didn't know about any

819
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,950
of that in in 1968 but Gordon Cooper I

820
00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:52,960
just thought he was the coolest dude

821
00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:55,950
ever man I I really any

822
00:42:07,789 --> 00:41:59,490
the coolest name as well so but my guy

823
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:07,799
was did you really okay and and I want

824
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,119
to talk about urban for a second because

825
00:42:16,789 --> 00:42:12,000
I've always thought he was really really

826
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:16,799
cool what was he like you know you know

827
00:42:24,049 --> 00:42:18,650
you need to know the background he was a

828
00:42:26,510 --> 00:42:24,059
test pilot and he was in that crazy big

829
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:26,520
airplane it crashed and he got burned

830
00:42:29,809 --> 00:42:28,290
pretty bad and they didn't think that

831
00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:29,819
you know he was ever gonna be able to

832
00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:31,710
fly you know jokingly he told me that

833
00:42:36,289 --> 00:42:33,750
here he was in the hospital he had

834
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:36,299
bandages all over his arms his hands and

835
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:39,569
his body and stuff his wife comes in Hey

836
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:41,700
and she he said she looked took one look

837
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:43,619
at him he says you're darn near burned

838
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:47,369
it off Danya that's how close a friend

839
00:42:52,220 --> 00:42:50,460
really but then what he did you know

840
00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:52,230
then was picked up by to be up the

841
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:55,470
Apollo program and the duty was to be

842
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:58,170
one of the few of the original

843
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:00,540
astronauts who came over and to the

844
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:04,020
chamber being dependent excuse me at the

845
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:05,609
Johnson Space Center used to be it was

846
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:07,049
called a manned spacecraft Center at the

847
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:09,240
time and so long Johnson became

848
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:10,650
president and then they changed it over

849
00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,819
to the Johnson Space Center every he and

850
00:43:19,099 --> 00:43:17,160
I would spend hours and hours and days

851
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:19,109
inside the lunar module doing testing of

852
00:43:24,349 --> 00:43:21,150
all the systems he is the only person

853
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:24,359
that has had as many hours inside the

854
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:26,490
lunar module testing that then I'd end

855
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:29,369
up with over 3,000 hours testing that

856
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:31,650
thing inside the vacuum chambers but I

857
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,319
never made it off the planet as yet I

858
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:42,720
haven't made it off with the space

859
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:44,460
program for a partner didn't stays

860
00:43:49,309 --> 00:43:45,599
closed then we'll talk about that

861
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:49,319
sometime now I watched a documentary the

862
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:52,230
other day about the women astronauts

863
00:43:57,319 --> 00:43:54,780
that were also part of the program that

864
00:44:02,480 --> 00:43:57,329
most don't know much about it's a great

865
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:02,490
documentary but one of them said she

866
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:04,049
felt that the women that were involved

867
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:05,609
in the program were all different and

868
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:08,040
all unique but that the original seven

869
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:09,750
astronauts were entertained

870
00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:12,890
they were absolutely identical in

871
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:15,990
personality and professionalism in their

872
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:18,359
abilities in their size their physical

873
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:21,030
size their backgrounds their religious

874
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:25,020
beliefs their education and they she

875
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,810
felt that they were kind of faceless it

876
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:30,240
was done by intention she said but they

877
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:32,520
were completely interchangeable you were

878
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:34,410
hanging out with these guys do you have

879
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:37,320
that same feeling I her comment

880
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:41,670
surprised me yes surprised me I've never

881
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:42,420
heard that before

882
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,080
um I would say that she didn't get to

883
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,000
know them personally because now here's

884
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,460
there's the in my reaction to that is it

885
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,140
because the guys you know when we were

886
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:54,720
off-duty and we were having fun they

887
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:57,480
know how to party and have a great time

888
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:00,240
but the second you go into as test

889
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:02,609
pilots you second to go into you are so

890
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:05,760
cool give you an example we had we would

891
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,050
have some of the companies that built

892
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,880
some of the hardwood equipment inside

893
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,800
the lunar module or command module they

894
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:12,599
would come together lecturer or still

895
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:15,330
talk to us about how their systems work

896
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:17,730
and other astronauts are sitting there

897
00:45:21,140 --> 00:45:19,560
we're sitting there and you know they're

898
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:21,150
looking at each other saying in and one

899
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:24,240
of them starts take something like for

900
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:25,500
you to leave the room for a minute to

901
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:27,300
the instructor the guy to him part of

902
00:45:29,089 --> 00:45:28,770
the engineer designer to design the

903
00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:29,099
equipment

904
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:30,599
says I please step out of it we need to

905
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:32,250
have a talk so he talked the other guy

906
00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:33,240
says you know we're not getting the

907
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:35,099
information the way we need it we need

908
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:36,690
to get them together somebody better

909
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:38,940
somebody else in so the point I'm

910
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:41,220
getting at is when they are doing

911
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:43,050
something serious which could have been

912
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:45,210
taking their life and testing aircraft

913
00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:49,140
and jets and spacecraft um they are cold

914
00:45:54,380 --> 00:45:51,750
solid exactly the same but when they

915
00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:54,390
want to play they play and they know how

916
00:45:58,820 --> 00:45:57,030
to have a good time so I don't think she

917
00:46:03,230 --> 00:45:58,830
got to know them like I got to the phone

918
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,240
now with these images that you have and

919
00:46:07,460 --> 00:46:05,040
we'll talk we'll look at some of these

920
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:07,470
in a bit and we'll get Brett on the show

921
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:11,250
but in these images did the did the

922
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:16,200
astronauts see what they were taking

923
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:21,450
pictures of well the Hasselblad camera

924
00:46:23,540 --> 00:46:22,859
and this probably is where the question

925
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:23,550
comes from

926
00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:26,880
is mounted on the truss a variety of the

927
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,670
spacesuit variety right in front of the

928
00:46:33,350 --> 00:46:31,560
dials and gauges that you can verify

929
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:33,360
that your scissors keeping the proper

930
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:34,650
pressure and the amount of oxygen that

931
00:46:40,940 --> 00:46:36,900
you need as well as your communications

932
00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:40,950
system let's see I don't I don't have a

933
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,600
drop out here right I told you four we

934
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:44,520
came on that sometimes I because I was

935
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:46,500
not all accident there a year ago where

936
00:46:49,820 --> 00:46:47,940
I had a little bit of a head injury and

937
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:49,830
I sometimes drop out a little bit this

938
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:51,450
is for the people that are listening in

939
00:46:55,340 --> 00:46:53,610
because if I stop for a moment it'll be

940
00:46:59,360 --> 00:46:55,350
okay I've got to get Rhys integer and

941
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:59,370
you were asking me about the the the the

942
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:01,500
images they died on board yeah they

943
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,810
weren't looking through the Hasselblad

944
00:47:08,930 --> 00:47:05,760
because the Hasselblad is mounted to

945
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:08,940
their suit but they are looking like

946
00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:12,810
weird were they seeing the what turned

947
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:15,270
out in these images what do you think

948
00:47:21,260 --> 00:47:16,650
that they were seeing what they were

949
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:21,270
shooting well in most cases they do now

950
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:25,470
they realized we they went to or the

951
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:27,150
Grand Canyon as well as going over to

952
00:47:31,970 --> 00:47:29,730
the meteor crater and with it strapped

953
00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:31,980
on your chest you get used to knowing

954
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:34,350
exactly how to move your body because

955
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,270
it's going to be frozen solid to that

956
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:38,880
spot on your chest and you you they

957
00:47:44,780 --> 00:47:41,150
practiced so they knew exactly how to

958
00:47:46,970 --> 00:47:44,790
not a lot in focus to but to zero in

959
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:46,980
home on the subject particularly if

960
00:47:52,820 --> 00:47:51,000
they're going to do a panorama of the

961
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:52,830
landing site where that they'll stand in

962
00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:54,570
one spot they'll take a picture do a

963
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:56,100
slight little turn to the right and take

964
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,660
another in another one is asleep until

965
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:00,240
they made a three a 360 degree circle

966
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:03,210
and each time the camera is at the same

967
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:06,180
level so yeah they knew they knew where

968
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:07,940
they were taking the picture

969
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:12,390
but as far as some of the details they

970
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:14,070
didn't actually know all of them were

971
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,690
there and then there's an awful lot of

972
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:17,940
stuff that they did see that they never

973
00:48:26,210 --> 00:48:20,400
came forward or I mean doctor edgar

974
00:48:28,420 --> 00:48:26,220
cayce ass not know edgar excuse me ed

975
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:28,430
Mitchell yeah there you go ed Mitchell

976
00:48:34,580 --> 00:48:32,400
he found out a lot of stuff that he and

977
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,590
brought back and talked about things

978
00:48:40,130 --> 00:48:36,480
that he discovered and saw

979
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,140
oh so the answer is a double yes and no

980
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:43,140
yes they did know where they were

981
00:48:46,070 --> 00:48:44,609
shooting what's for taking pictures and

982
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:46,080
how to do it with the camera was mounted

983
00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:48,990
no but were they aware of all the stuff

984
00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:49,950
that they were getting pictures the

985
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:53,190
cameras don't lie they they picked up

986
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,900
images and things that you know you

987
00:48:59,090 --> 00:48:56,400
wouldn't normally see through the visor

988
00:49:02,420 --> 00:48:59,100
because we had to have the visor with

989
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:02,430
the gold plating down in front so that

990
00:49:08,330 --> 00:49:05,130
we weren't being getting blinded by the

991
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:08,340
when we turned in towards the Sun so I'm

992
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:09,420
sure there are a lot of things that

993
00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:10,910
didn't show up looking through the

994
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:14,520
actual spacesuit helmet now because of

995
00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:18,290
their training and and their backgrounds

996
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:22,320
if they did see anything would they ever

997
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:24,780
talk about it did you ever hear a

998
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:27,420
conversation about anything strange at

999
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:32,040
all not much more than what most for

1000
00:49:40,420 --> 00:49:35,609
everybody else is heard I mean because

1001
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:40,430
it was something guys coming back on

1002
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:42,660
there were the first loops around the

1003
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:45,810
moon and at Christmas time and they're

1004
00:49:50,540 --> 00:49:47,730
saying yeah you know you know here comes

1005
00:49:52,670 --> 00:49:50,550
Santa Claus we can see Santa Claus head

1006
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:52,680
in that way well there were some code

1007
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:54,930
words they would use to describe the

1008
00:50:00,830 --> 00:49:57,240
fact that we're being followed there's

1009
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:00,840
like Buzz and Neil and Mike on Apollo 11

1010
00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:02,700
they had this light and this object got

1011
00:50:08,060 --> 00:50:04,590
closer I could see pretty much what it

1012
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:08,070
was but they weren't sure they contacted

1013
00:50:13,099 --> 00:50:10,440
Mission Control and they before they

1014
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:13,109
they called him they decided that and I

1015
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:19,650
talked to Mike Owens about it and he

1016
00:50:25,310 --> 00:50:22,890
said well we didn't want to alert

1017
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:25,320
anybody that was listening in so we just

1018
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:27,660
asked him where the s4b was and they

1019
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:28,980
came back don't let us you know so many

1020
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:30,420
thousands of mile of this particular

1021
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:32,730
angle from where the command module was

1022
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,690
at that time so yeah they pretty much

1023
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:38,160
were aware and and some of the others

1024
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:39,810
have come forward and said you know we

1025
00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:41,609
were actually followed all the way to

1026
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:44,190
the moon or for our landing but the

1027
00:50:50,210 --> 00:50:45,930
biggest problem like Neil Neil Armstrong

1028
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:50,220
he he was totally different

1029
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:53,849
when he came back and you've seen him in

1030
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:55,500
interviews where he looked like stone

1031
00:50:59,960 --> 00:50:58,530
cold yes and was only honestly what he

1032
00:51:02,450 --> 00:50:59,970
was supposed to say and that was it and

1033
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:02,460
him not I can't think of the proper term

1034
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,400
but he was a college professor and I

1035
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:07,380
served out is the rest of his life there

1036
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:09,960
and the University and all and never

1037
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,160
never came forward and discussed

1038
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:15,599
anything and that's that's the problem

1039
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:19,010
when you're you're that close to things

1040
00:51:28,130 --> 00:51:22,650
and I got pretty close to that too with

1041
00:51:29,089 --> 00:51:28,140
them dr. Thornton page who was the

1042
00:51:31,310 --> 00:51:29,099
director of the lunar and planetary

1043
00:51:35,060 --> 00:51:31,320
science department at the Johnson Space

1044
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:35,070
Center outside used to be the village

1045
00:51:40,070 --> 00:51:37,310
man's my mansion they turned it into a

1046
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:40,080
fitting place for a scientist and a

1047
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:42,180
doctor turn to page and near the ending

1048
00:51:47,660 --> 00:51:45,140
of his life he talks like oh yeah we we

1049
00:51:49,839 --> 00:51:47,670
we did change things up a little bit on

1050
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,849
people and so that you know

1051
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,020
they didn't know for sure what they say

1052
00:51:55,970 --> 00:51:53,760
and I also talked to some of the people

1053
00:51:58,640 --> 00:51:55,980
that had come back and one of the first

1054
00:52:01,070 --> 00:51:58,650
things that happens is debriefing and I

1055
00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:01,080
I don't know don't know well and that

1056
00:52:04,089 --> 00:52:02,099
keep liking I know what

1057
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:04,099
there was a woman psychologist

1058
00:52:10,099 --> 00:52:06,660
psychiatrist psychologist that debriefed

1059
00:52:12,650 --> 00:52:10,109
the astronauts and pretty much blocked

1060
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:12,660
their memory own things that they were

1061
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:14,790
not to discuss it and I can say that

1062
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:17,760
because in your Mitchell pretty well

1063
00:52:25,460 --> 00:52:21,410
outlined that and although I was never

1064
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:25,470
put through that kind of d-brane be

1065
00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:27,300
washing so I wouldn't talk about things

1066
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:29,820
that's why now with my archives and

1067
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:33,450
things um I cook come it happened back

1068
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,800
in 1996 when uh Richard Hoagland took me

1069
00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:39,119
to the National Press Club in Washington

1070
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:41,820
DC and the whole point of that was to

1071
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:44,640
make me so publicly known that nothing

1072
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:46,680
he's nothing could happen to me because

1073
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:49,020
a concern was there people that died

1074
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:52,859
taking the secrets of the space program

1075
00:52:58,339 --> 00:52:55,950
look at them and the only way to protect

1076
00:53:00,020 --> 00:52:58,349
me in this case pleases is to make this

1077
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:00,030
a well known around the world public

1078
00:53:04,190 --> 00:53:01,980
that they have to take care of you if I

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00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:04,200
feel very very

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comfortable was coming forward now with

1081
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:07,890
the information in material but I saved

1082
00:53:14,359 --> 00:53:11,670
all those years well we're gonna we've

1083
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:14,369
got five minutes before the break you

1084
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:19,530
were one of four civilian astronaut

1085
00:53:24,500 --> 00:53:23,460
consultant pilots well what is that

1086
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:24,510
exactly

1087
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:27,510
I mean Sophia for the audience what are

1088
00:53:34,099 --> 00:53:32,310
we what are we talking about here okay

1089
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:34,109
in Grumman the one that don't the lunar

1090
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:36,930
module in my case we were the ones that

1091
00:53:41,060 --> 00:53:39,089
had substituted for the NASA astronauts

1092
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:41,070
we had all the training about the

1093
00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:42,089
spacecraft kneeling before the

1094
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:45,270
astronauts did our job was to actually

1095
00:53:49,310 --> 00:53:47,339
test it substituting for the NASA

1096
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:49,320
astronauts in the vacuum chambers being

1097
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:50,700
sure that all the systems worked well

1098
00:53:56,420 --> 00:53:54,410
and then work with the the astronauts

1099
00:53:59,210 --> 00:53:56,430
attachments would just show up sometimes

1100
00:54:01,940 --> 00:53:59,220
over the the Apollo lunar surface

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00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:01,950
information is also also a place where

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00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,960
we didn't but I can say this and then

1103
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:05,520
they would come inside because we

1104
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,260
weren't and pumped it back and she's

1105
00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:09,359
only just probably not more than 10

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00:54:13,730 --> 00:54:10,950
percent of the time over the several

1107
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,740
years but they would suit up and the

1108
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:16,260
clean suit and come up and side debate

1109
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:17,640
of the chamber and come up and get

1110
00:54:21,319 --> 00:54:19,650
inside the spacecraft we were and spend

1111
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:21,329
hours in there with us while we were

1112
00:54:25,099 --> 00:54:22,530
doing testing of each and all the

1113
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:25,109
equipment there so and what would the

1114
00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:26,730
quad did you have to go through the same

1115
00:54:35,290 --> 00:54:29,369
type of training what would tell me

1116
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:35,300
about that oh yeah as far as the the

1117
00:54:40,579 --> 00:54:38,880
avionics and the technical capabilities

1118
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:40,589
and peluda models and everything yes we

1119
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:42,329
had all the same training that the

1120
00:54:45,319 --> 00:54:43,710
regular astronauts had back that we had

1121
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:45,329
it before they had it and we were part

1122
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:48,720
of the the training that helped them get

1123
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:50,130
the information they needed to be able

1124
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:53,460
to flag go to the moon so we were one

1125
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:55,380
step ahead of what's going on there and

1126
00:55:00,050 --> 00:54:58,380
it was just the way in which the company

1127
00:55:02,180 --> 00:55:00,060
Grumman in case they built the lunar

1128
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:02,190
module and the see the command module

1129
00:55:08,839 --> 00:55:04,200
Holly don't say they were a competition

1130
00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:08,849
I think it Lockheed Martin Eirik the

1131
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:10,230
ones that built the command module have

1132
00:55:15,740 --> 00:55:12,450
the same situations in fact my first

1133
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:15,750
cousin captain Don Garrett and of course

1134
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:18,090
captain did the same thing in the

1135
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:20,250
and module as I was doing the lunar

1136
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,630
module so here you have two first

1137
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:23,640
cousins doing the same job but in

1138
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:25,290
different spacecraft it's quite a unique

1139
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:27,420
experience and my brother dr. AR

1140
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:30,300
Johnston was direct NASA employee where

1141
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:32,820
Don Garrett was an Air Force captain and

1142
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:35,370
I was the civilian so I was considered a

1143
00:55:39,830 --> 00:55:38,610
civilian astronaut consultant pilot so

1144
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:39,840
that I was willing to answer the

1145
00:55:48,220 --> 00:55:43,740
questions now when they were when they

1146
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:48,230
were on their missions what was your job

1147
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:52,260
oddly as it may seem my job since there

1148
00:55:58,100 --> 00:55:56,400
were four of us we would decide who was

1149
00:55:59,570 --> 00:55:58,110
going to be again the mokra

1150
00:56:04,310 --> 00:55:59,580
there's an operation control room

1151
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:04,320
outside of the mission control room and

1152
00:56:09,620 --> 00:56:07,050
that is if anything went wrong they had

1153
00:56:12,410 --> 00:56:09,630
to have one of us from from Grumman

1154
00:56:15,350 --> 00:56:12,420
awesome yeah the company for the command

1155
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:15,360
module and other engineers that designed

1156
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:17,610
the equipment available in the event

1157
00:56:21,860 --> 00:56:20,040
that a problem clean up and of course

1158
00:56:28,850 --> 00:56:21,870
that's what happened with Apollo 13

1159
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:28,860
whatever the oxygen equipment inside the

1160
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:30,810
service module connected to the command

1161
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:33,450
module exploded and we just we almost

1162
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:36,540
lost the whole crew there but by having

1163
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:39,030
all I wouldn't you know that when I had

1164
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:40,950
moved over I was working on Skylab at

1165
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:42,630
the time but I did go over and talk to

1166
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:43,800
the guys and they were telling me about

1167
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:49,250
that when the Mission Control director

1168
00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:51,690
came in and dumped a box of equipment

1169
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:53,190
everything else is all the little bits

1170
00:56:58,820 --> 00:56:55,650
and pieces of equipment comes from

1171
00:57:00,380 --> 00:56:58,830
masking tape to plastic covers over

1172
00:57:02,660 --> 00:57:00,390
document protectors and things like that

1173
00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:02,670
on the table and says you know failure

1174
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:03,630
is not an option

1175
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:07,140
find a way to get them back so that

1176
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,140
that's kind of how close I was to being

1177
00:57:14,300 --> 00:57:12,720
off right in the middle there in fact

1178
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:14,310
that it wasn't a little most of it it

1179
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:16,140
just server wouldn't what we did

1180
00:57:21,380 --> 00:57:19,380
whenever we went census Paulo lemon to

1181
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:21,390
the moon once they launched a job

1182
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:24,690
basically was over with the lunar module

1183
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:28,530
I went on vacation for two weeks went to

1184
00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:30,930
New York for my wife's family was I got

1185
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:31,980
to watch the walk on them

1186
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:34,290
over in south bound brook new Joisey

1187
00:57:40,339 --> 00:57:38,609
know people who know that and then when

1188
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:40,349
I got back I was going over to be a part

1189
00:57:44,660 --> 00:57:42,690
of the Skylab portion for Grumman

1190
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:44,670
because they were using the asset stage

1191
00:57:51,220 --> 00:57:48,089
to to put a big telescope like Hubble on

1192
00:57:55,819 --> 00:57:51,230
the high scale I go into work and my

1193
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,829
dear friend and boss supervisor said I'm

1194
00:57:58,609 --> 00:57:57,119
out I tell you I said but while you were

1195
00:58:00,970 --> 00:57:58,619
gone

1196
00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:00,980
they changed the program from being

1197
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:03,000
research and development going to the

1198
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:05,369
moon it was now routine missions to the

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00:58:12,020 --> 00:58:07,859
moon just regular and Roman laid off

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00:58:14,660 --> 00:58:12,030
over 30,000 employees nationwide and I

1201
00:58:16,849 --> 00:58:14,670
saw he says your job was home Scott and

1202
00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:16,859
said they cancelled that the gurmann

1203
00:58:22,819 --> 00:58:20,070
gave me two weeks severance pay they

1204
00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:22,829
gave me two weeks additional paid to

1205
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,320
help me find a job that's when I I was

1206
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:27,599
able to turn right and go over to the

1207
00:58:32,450 --> 00:58:28,980
lunar receiving laboratory and go to

1208
00:58:33,290 --> 00:58:32,460
work and became the data having total

1209
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:33,300
control upon it

1210
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:36,569
let's take a look I'm sorry again I

1211
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,920
didn't mean to interrupt

1212
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:40,079
I've got to take away great I've got to

1213
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,700
take a break right here so let's do that

1214
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:44,000
our guest tonight Ken Johnston okay and

1215
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:46,200
we'll be right back after this short

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break

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00:58:51,980 --> 00:58:50,339
NASA image whistleblower fade to black

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I'm your host Jimmy church on the game

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of of all of this you were working for

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NASA at the time and and started to

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notice this image manipulation

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how did that happen were they publishing

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01:03:47,900 --> 01:03:44,839
images you were looking at images and

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01:03:52,969 --> 01:03:47,910
you saw that they weren't the same or

1304
01:03:55,009 --> 01:03:52,979
how did that go down well actually I

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01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,019
think one of the first places that I was

1306
01:04:00,319 --> 01:03:57,599
aware of it was at the end of the Gemini

1307
01:04:02,509 --> 01:04:00,329
program one of the astronauts got a

1308
01:04:05,089 --> 01:04:02,519
severe nosebleed inside the spacecraft

1309
01:04:06,739 --> 01:04:05,099
and he had used as his hand a glove and

1310
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,749
he'd wiped it on the fabric insulation

1311
01:04:10,849 --> 01:04:08,579
on the inside of the hatch you know Jim

1312
01:04:12,140 --> 01:04:10,859
I had two two doors that opened the

1313
01:04:14,059 --> 01:04:12,150
hatches that opened up but they could

1314
01:04:16,699 --> 01:04:14,069
come out of there anyway

1315
01:04:19,390 --> 01:04:16,709
turn around I had a copy of the original

1316
01:04:21,289 --> 01:04:19,400
picture they was taken that he was

1317
01:04:25,539 --> 01:04:21,299
getting ready to go

1318
01:04:27,799 --> 01:04:25,549
EBA in space and that picture I had had

1319
01:04:29,059 --> 01:04:27,809
bloodstains on the side of that well the

1320
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:29,069
picture that was released to the press

1321
01:04:32,449 --> 01:04:31,169
and when I was well that was all smudged

1322
01:04:34,819 --> 01:04:32,459
out and painted over and was just

1323
01:04:37,189 --> 01:04:34,829
perfectly normal well because the idea

1324
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:37,199
was it you know they asked a lot for the

1325
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:40,529
biggest the greatest hero and that we

1326
01:04:45,859 --> 01:04:42,150
get and we couldn't have him have just a

1327
01:04:49,219 --> 01:04:45,869
normal nose blue so that was my first

1328
01:04:53,209 --> 01:04:49,229
experience living I guess the one of the

1329
01:04:54,499 --> 01:04:53,219
big clinchers for me was when I was the

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01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:54,509
as I said the director of the data in

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01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:55,559
total control department to the

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01:05:02,719 --> 01:04:58,140
receiving laboratory and dr. Thornton

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01:05:04,220 --> 01:05:02,729
page directional implant of planetary

1334
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:04,230
science department

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01:05:13,940 --> 01:05:09,119
need to pull a 60 millimeter film from

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01:05:16,810 --> 01:05:13,950
the Apollo 14 mission and set up a

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01:05:19,580 --> 01:05:16,820
showing for him in six of the other

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01:05:21,410 --> 01:05:19,590
scientists engineers over in the

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building milling seven next to Mission

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Control and well I went over to the

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01:05:29,540 --> 01:05:27,540
photo lab and the photo lab is where

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01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:29,550
they actually processed all of the film

1343
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:33,090
brought back and it was made in three

1344
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:35,730
sections in front early when you just go

1345
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:39,090
in would be like going up to a counter

1346
01:05:43,070 --> 01:05:41,609
and you could order or request a copy of

1347
01:05:45,590 --> 01:05:43,080
a particular picture and what have you

1348
01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:45,600
and that's where you'd get them then the

1349
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:48,030
next going through there into the next

1350
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:50,790
room is where they'd help light tables

1351
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:52,770
and places set up where you could study

1352
01:05:57,140 --> 01:05:54,810
and look at the equipment over the video

1353
01:05:59,630 --> 01:05:57,150
cannot videos but I mean the film yep

1354
01:06:01,640 --> 01:05:59,640
the negative member that was before yeah

1355
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:01,650
we were dealing with the negatives and

1356
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:04,890
things not electronic CDs and stuff that

1357
01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:06,690
this generation that Tolono

1358
01:06:11,420 --> 01:06:09,420
iterate in there you could sit down at

1359
01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:11,430
the light tables and and do your

1360
01:06:18,020 --> 01:06:14,280
research and then the final room in the

1361
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,030
back was kept hugh medically sealed and

1362
01:06:22,490 --> 01:06:21,119
controlled so that keeps the negatives

1363
01:06:24,260 --> 01:06:22,500
and pictures in the life I think and

1364
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:24,270
maintain it at a certain temperature and

1365
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:27,570
humidity etc well dr. page had me set up

1366
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:30,810
this showing and I'm over there and I'm

1367
01:06:36,050 --> 01:06:34,200
showing the 16 millimeter now for the

1368
01:06:39,530 --> 01:06:36,060
audience a gun sequence camera if you've

1369
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:39,540
ever seen movies of fighters flying

1370
01:06:44,420 --> 01:06:42,510
their aircraft and they find their guns

1371
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:44,430
at another aircraft and then chasing

1372
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,170
when you've seen all these little little

1373
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:48,480
streaks going out right well done

1374
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:50,010
sequence camera takes a picture each

1375
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:52,290
time one of those happens and later

1376
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:54,510
whatever you played if you're looking at

1377
01:06:59,060 --> 01:06:56,490
just just a few of the realms that are

1378
01:07:03,170 --> 01:06:59,070
going up in this case we used it because

1379
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,180
we could freeze the picture zoom in

1380
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:05,520
close back up Sarah and I had experience

1381
01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:07,290
in that since I had been through flight

1382
01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:11,640
training and in the Marine Corps and so

1383
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:13,980
and dr. Horne pays knew I had that at

1384
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:15,780
that training so you can keep it

1385
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:18,000
privately said since those years

1386
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:19,350
I discovered that I came very very close

1387
01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:21,570
to being part of the secret space

1388
01:07:23,300 --> 01:07:22,920
program but you'll understand in a

1389
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,310
moment

1390
01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:25,200
as soon as I finished talking why I

1391
01:07:28,730 --> 01:07:27,270
probably would've dropped out and became

1392
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:28,740
a whistleblower that they want to call

1393
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:31,050
me that I didn't ask for the name anyway

1394
01:07:34,850 --> 01:07:32,760
so I'm showing this field

1395
01:07:38,180 --> 01:07:34,860
60 million weight of film and this was

1396
01:07:40,820 --> 01:07:38,190
taken from the inside of the the lunar

1397
01:07:42,290 --> 01:07:40,830
module out the window and they're

1398
01:07:44,570 --> 01:07:42,300
approaching a crater on the backside of

1399
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:44,580
moon called Co cough ski named after

1400
01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:46,410
most of Russians named most all the big

1401
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:47,790
craters and things on the backside of

1402
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:50,010
the moon after their scientists and

1403
01:07:54,830 --> 01:07:52,170
engineers entering we're approaching the

1404
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:54,840
seochon ski and the sun angle at this

1405
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:58,290
time made the bottom of the crater about

1406
01:08:04,070 --> 01:08:01,260
half of it was in shadow because of the

1407
01:08:05,810 --> 01:08:04,080
angle about 45 degrees sun angle and as

1408
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:05,820
we're approaching me on Schakowsky

1409
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:08,010
crater the correct of it the shadow i'm

1410
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:08,760
there

1411
01:08:16,460 --> 01:08:14,670
you'll take your hand turn it palm up

1412
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:16,470
and all five of your fingers together

1413
01:08:22,220 --> 01:08:18,810
and look at the tips of them it's like

1414
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:22,230
Coulomb bubbles that are opaque and

1415
01:08:25,730 --> 01:08:23,580
illuminated from the inside well that's

1416
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:25,740
what we were looking at and he had me

1417
01:08:30,140 --> 01:08:28,170
freeze and zoom in and zoom out and back

1418
01:08:31,519 --> 01:08:30,150
it up and approach again they turned to

1419
01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:31,529
the other side as they said well boys

1420
01:08:35,599 --> 01:08:33,150
what do you think of that they all

1421
01:08:36,890 --> 01:08:35,609
laughed like it was an inside joke and I

1422
01:08:40,010 --> 01:08:36,900
didn't think about it at the time

1423
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,020
because the next day I was scheduled to

1424
01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:42,480
take the same real film and show it to

1425
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:44,819
the rank and file and I was on

1426
01:08:47,780 --> 01:08:45,930
impression I was going to be able to

1427
01:08:50,030 --> 01:08:47,790
show them something we had discovered on

1428
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:50,040
the backside of the moon most likely was

1429
01:08:56,420 --> 01:08:54,330
an alien base and Erik so I'm finishing

1430
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:56,430
up the show dr. Peterson finishes up by

1431
01:09:00,289 --> 01:08:58,290
showing him up less than 15 minutes

1432
01:09:01,999 --> 01:09:00,299
packing things up I'm trying to listen

1433
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:02,009
to the several of them talking but I

1434
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,810
didn't get any information there

1435
01:09:08,150 --> 01:09:05,759
I took the film back checked it in the

1436
01:09:11,210 --> 01:09:08,160
photo lab and I was on my way back to

1437
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:11,220
the lunar receiving laboratory where my

1438
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:13,049
office was I ran into dr. page and I

1439
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:16,259
said that's me what happened - Oh bull I

1440
01:09:19,820 --> 01:09:17,819
jumped ahead skewing the next day I

1441
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:19,830
checked out the same real same number

1442
01:09:24,980 --> 01:09:22,980
and went to the main auditorium at the

1443
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:24,990
Johnson Space Center and set up a

1444
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:26,940
showing during lunch for the rank and

1445
01:09:31,890 --> 01:09:29,490
file NASA and the contractors and people

1446
01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:31,900
like that and I had my brothers come to

1447
01:09:37,169 --> 01:09:35,500
in the projection booth to show it and

1448
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:37,179
because I hadn't told him what it was I

1449
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:39,250
was keeping the secret and here we are

1450
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:40,480
we're showing it at the same moment

1451
01:09:44,510 --> 01:09:41,920
never cutting on the back side were

1452
01:09:47,579 --> 01:09:44,520
approaching Tchaikovsky and there's a

1453
01:09:51,149 --> 01:09:47,589
shadowed area and there's nothing there

1454
01:09:52,050 --> 01:09:51,159
and I stopped the the film told the

1455
01:09:54,090 --> 01:09:52,060
audience I'm having technical

1456
01:09:57,090 --> 01:09:54,100
difficulties just a moment took the film

1457
01:10:01,860 --> 01:09:57,100
out it in 24 hours they had to have

1458
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,870
taken the film made copied it enlarged

1459
01:10:05,729 --> 01:10:03,520
it painted out what they wanted to paint

1460
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:05,739
out today I'll put it back him and then

1461
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:08,710
read the place the real with one that

1462
01:10:13,709 --> 01:10:12,159
had been doctored hey right I told I

1463
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:13,719
fixed it to put it all back together and

1464
01:10:19,050 --> 01:10:15,940
I said well what was so big about that

1465
01:10:21,689 --> 01:10:19,060
I just you know we actually found a base

1466
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:21,699
on the moon and I took ohan for me to

1467
01:10:24,750 --> 01:10:23,380
convince him of that many he had some

1468
01:10:28,260 --> 01:10:24,760
other experiences some of that he's

1469
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,270
passed away now anyway so I did Tim set

1470
01:10:33,060 --> 01:10:30,159
up I took and put it back in the photo

1471
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:33,070
lab and I'm going back to the lrl and I

1472
01:10:36,899 --> 01:10:34,690
run into doctor page and I said doctor

1473
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,909
page what happened to those domes and

1474
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:38,080
things we found on the inside of

1475
01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:40,960
Sackhoff ski crater now if you look at

1476
01:10:44,910 --> 01:10:42,820
pictures of doctor page he looks like a

1477
01:10:46,740 --> 01:10:44,920
pirate because he had an eye injury that

1478
01:10:49,530 --> 01:10:46,750
took an eye out completely anymore a

1479
01:10:52,410 --> 01:10:49,540
patch over one eye right I'm serious

1480
01:10:53,580 --> 01:10:52,420
that's what he wanted to do it he looked

1481
01:10:55,169 --> 01:10:53,590
at me he took the one good eye on you

1482
01:10:57,450 --> 01:10:55,179
held it down closed for Moniz as there

1483
01:11:00,750 --> 01:10:57,460
was never anything there and then he

1484
01:11:03,209 --> 01:11:00,760
walked on and so that was my first clue

1485
01:11:04,770 --> 01:11:03,219
that you know we were we had secret

1486
01:11:09,209 --> 01:11:04,780
something's going on then other times

1487
01:11:10,890 --> 01:11:09,219
when I was oh there was a laser yeah

1488
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:10,900
well you don't asking this place on

1489
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:12,489
because I'm saving a really good one

1490
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:16,650
here for a minute yeah well but but now

1491
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:20,620
that that's a crazy thing to go through

1492
01:11:24,090 --> 01:11:23,650
right alien base you know Dark Side of

1493
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:24,100
the Moon

1494
01:11:29,550 --> 01:11:27,010
you saw it now now it's not there in the

1495
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:29,560
film you know that there is a conspiracy

1496
01:11:38,729 --> 01:11:33,460
right there's something going on here

1497
01:11:41,790 --> 01:11:38,739
how do you especially back then how do

1498
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:41,800
you start to digest these kinds of

1499
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:44,760
thoughts in your mind

1500
01:11:54,090 --> 01:11:48,580
well it was really tough on me and in

1501
01:11:55,590 --> 01:11:54,100
fact after we all got laid off so many

1502
01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:55,600
of us that's the way the contracts were

1503
01:11:59,490 --> 01:11:56,980
run they were run at about a 3-year

1504
01:12:02,220 --> 01:11:59,500
contract each and at the end of that

1505
01:12:03,690 --> 01:12:02,230
you'd either get transferred to another

1506
01:12:06,330 --> 01:12:03,700
contract or have to go to another

1507
01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:06,340
company and stuff like that and so they

1508
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:08,920
you know we made good salaries but the

1509
01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:10,210
problem is is you might be out of work

1510
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:12,070
for a month two months three months and

1511
01:12:16,830 --> 01:12:13,630
there goes the the advantage of having

1512
01:12:19,230 --> 01:12:16,840
the higher salary I think what's really

1513
01:12:20,430 --> 01:12:19,240
really kind of tough it it was fantastic

1514
01:12:23,970 --> 01:12:20,440
because we were out on the cutting edge

1515
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:23,980
and I have to know we were I was just

1516
01:12:26,490 --> 01:12:25,450
about it as much as the rest of them

1517
01:12:28,710 --> 01:12:26,500
thinking that here we were out on the

1518
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:28,720
cutting edge and we were pushing science

1519
01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:31,450
going to the moon the one else at Benham

1520
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:34,630
and now to suddenly discover that what

1521
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:37,260
people had been saying about UFOs and

1522
01:12:41,610 --> 01:12:39,610
alien bases or things like that on the

1523
01:12:44,850 --> 01:12:41,620
moon here I was pretty to actually

1524
01:12:46,740 --> 01:12:44,860
seeing that now here's something I kept

1525
01:12:52,380 --> 01:12:46,750
the archives and things hidden and was

1526
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:52,390
totally quiet about it until 1995 and it

1527
01:12:57,780 --> 01:12:53,980
was just my personal archive that I'd

1528
01:13:00,660 --> 01:12:57,790
saved all those years and then finding

1529
01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:00,670
out that people were you know like

1530
01:13:04,890 --> 01:13:02,590
little bugs had somebody from calling

1531
01:13:06,660 --> 01:13:04,900
him a liar and not really go now I had

1532
01:13:09,570 --> 01:13:06,670
post private detective all the things

1533
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:09,580
that we found and did and saw on the

1534
01:13:17,070 --> 01:13:13,360
moon and so so you're I'm now trying to

1535
01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:17,080
you're your set of images those are all

1536
01:13:24,510 --> 01:13:19,630
first-generation right off the original

1537
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:24,520
negatives right it's the first copy of

1538
01:13:30,300 --> 01:13:26,290
the rizal negatives some people say well

1539
01:13:32,310 --> 01:13:30,310
it's not the it is the original positive

1540
01:13:36,660 --> 01:13:32,320
positive transparencies on some of the

1541
01:13:39,090 --> 01:13:36,670
passive light I kept a Hasselblad 70

1542
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:39,100
millimeter House of like positive

1543
01:13:43,730 --> 01:13:40,600
transparencies if they took as well I

1544
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:43,740
have also wait wait a minute wait about

1545
01:13:52,890 --> 01:13:47,650
you've got the original Hasselblad 70

1546
01:13:54,510 --> 01:13:52,900
millimeter negatives these are not they

1547
01:13:55,770 --> 01:13:54,520
what they would do with the original is

1548
01:13:57,180 --> 01:13:55,780
they would make a first generation

1549
01:13:59,760 --> 01:13:57,190
copies of the original

1550
01:14:02,490 --> 01:13:59,770
right then they would make the future

1551
01:14:05,190 --> 01:14:02,500
copies off of the copy so that you don't

1552
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:05,200
the you know we don't want to all of the

1553
01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:08,290
lights and things in processing when you

1554
01:14:11,670 --> 01:14:09,940
you're using the same negative over and

1555
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:11,680
over and over we kept those as a

1556
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:14,170
first-time use and then those are the

1557
01:14:19,170 --> 01:14:16,030
ones that user I've seen pictures that

1558
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:19,180
were made a copy of a copy of a copy of

1559
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:21,730
a copy of a copy is so bad that you

1560
01:14:26,190 --> 01:14:23,110
couldn't tell if there's anything all of

1561
01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:26,200
them let alone a 120 mile across later

1562
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:28,150
nearly and people are still be going to

1563
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:30,850
oh that moon is so fantastic they have

1564
01:14:35,130 --> 01:14:33,850
no clue about what it really looks like

1565
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:35,140
when you're looking at the original

1566
01:14:43,740 --> 01:14:40,800
negative an imagined pictures so I know

1567
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:43,750
Shepherds problem under he first time

1568
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:47,050
saw my archive it was like oh my god

1569
01:14:55,950 --> 01:14:51,370
what you have here now yeah totally

1570
01:14:59,910 --> 01:14:55,960
totally I keep saying Brett Colin its

1571
01:15:07,800 --> 01:14:59,920
Brett Shepherd everybody the his website

1572
01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:07,810
is anyway anyway the the loophole for

1573
01:15:14,730 --> 01:15:10,630
you you were told to destroy five sets

1574
01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:14,740
of these prints what what did what was

1575
01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:16,630
the loophole and how did you get out of

1576
01:15:22,140 --> 01:15:20,140
it and how did you smoke did you smuggle

1577
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,150
them out and yet did you put them down

1578
01:15:28,250 --> 01:15:24,880
your pants did you walk out in a

1579
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:28,260
briefcase did you tuck them in your sock

1580
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:32,880
no I I mean - no I mean everything

1581
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,640
exactly it's the first time anyone's

1582
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:38,800
asking me that close but really took

1583
01:15:44,730 --> 01:15:42,640
place that we I as the director the

1584
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:44,740
regional control department I maintained

1585
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:47,920
five complete sets of all the pictures

1586
01:15:54,030 --> 01:15:50,170
taken only each mission as well as the

1587
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:54,040
videos as well as the the Hasselblad

1588
01:16:00,510 --> 01:15:57,330
transparencies and even the transcribed

1589
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:00,520
communications of the communications

1590
01:16:05,790 --> 01:16:02,470
between the astronauts and the

1591
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:05,800
spacecraft moment and and the videos

1592
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:08,320
Mission Control so I had all of that in

1593
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:10,450
five complete sets and when scientists

1594
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,170
from around the world

1595
01:16:16,650 --> 01:16:14,080
come to the ELA receiving lavatory to

1596
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:16,660
pick up their sample of lunar soil rocks

1597
01:16:20,550 --> 01:16:18,250
of what have you they would want to have

1598
01:16:22,169 --> 01:16:20,560
copies of pictures from orbit showing

1599
01:16:23,729 --> 01:16:22,179
the general area where they were and

1600
01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:23,739
then from the lunar surface taken from

1601
01:16:27,660 --> 01:16:25,900
the cameras with the astronauts the

1602
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:27,670
orientation of their sample because it

1603
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:30,370
made a difference as to how much solar

1604
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:32,530
radiation and the angle that we would be

1605
01:16:38,130 --> 01:16:35,050
getting on their samples so you know I

1606
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:38,140
had all this team filing cabinets that

1607
01:16:44,729 --> 01:16:40,210
folders a separate folder for every

1608
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:44,739
single picture and even there the

1609
01:16:49,229 --> 01:16:46,810
records that they were initially

1610
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:49,239
write-up was I I helped on Moses when

1611
01:16:53,689 --> 01:16:50,530
the geologists would do their first

1612
01:16:58,919 --> 01:16:53,699
analysis we would ever put together a

1613
01:17:01,860 --> 01:16:58,929
report and I had a staff of secretaries

1614
01:17:04,380 --> 01:17:01,870
that would type it all up and make those

1615
01:17:08,189 --> 01:17:04,390
notes I had all that information Google

1616
01:17:11,430 --> 01:17:08,199
file and then by muscala who was my

1617
01:17:14,220 --> 01:17:11,440
immediate supervisor from the contractor

1618
01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:14,230
working for NASA day LRL came in said

1619
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:16,120
well Kim need to get rid of all but one

1620
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:18,010
set of those of those pictures are being

1621
01:17:21,900 --> 01:17:18,520
together

1622
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:21,910
wait whoa we don't we paid for that with

1623
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:24,130
our tax money their colleges and

1624
01:17:26,850 --> 01:17:25,810
universities and how science problems

1625
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,860
would love to have some of these

1626
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:28,719
pictures and they he said no you got to

1627
01:17:31,500 --> 01:17:30,010
get rid of them all just keep one oh

1628
01:17:32,459 --> 01:17:31,510
sorry and I already blew it in for a

1629
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:32,469
little bit I got a little frustrated

1630
01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:34,750
with it here's the key word he said I

1631
01:17:40,770 --> 01:17:36,580
don't care what you do just get rid of

1632
01:17:43,470 --> 01:17:40,780
them except for one okay all right I did

1633
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:43,480
I am I took three sets and we're not

1634
01:17:47,820 --> 01:17:45,310
throw them in the density dumpster which

1635
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:47,830
very interesting Brett can tell you

1636
01:17:54,780 --> 01:17:51,310
Donna here came from only just a few

1637
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:54,790
years ago GE and a friend actually

1638
01:17:57,810 --> 01:17:56,290
discovered the pictures I'd thrown up

1639
01:17:59,370 --> 01:17:57,820
and MC dumped her and it's a bit much

1640
01:18:03,240 --> 01:17:59,380
over there and those were first

1641
01:18:04,740 --> 01:18:03,250
generation pictures anyway so here I had

1642
01:18:07,530 --> 01:18:04,750
three of them three stats

1643
01:18:11,790 --> 01:18:07,540
dumped in the dumpster I had to keep one

1644
01:18:13,290 --> 01:18:11,800
set as a control there at the lrl but

1645
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:13,300
when people come in and they would look

1646
01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:14,410
at the pictures and decide if they

1647
01:18:18,540 --> 01:18:15,940
wanted to order that particular picture

1648
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:18,550
from the photo lab and then there was

1649
01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:22,690
the number five set that I had kept for

1650
01:18:26,730 --> 01:18:24,790
myself each time I had orders

1651
01:18:28,830 --> 01:18:26,740
I would order one extra one ink you guys

1652
01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:28,840
we're gonna have an emergency and I'd

1653
01:18:32,610 --> 01:18:30,460
have to pull it from there but because

1654
01:18:34,830 --> 01:18:32,620
we didn't have the pictures ready to go

1655
01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:34,840
inside us around the world taking him so

1656
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:37,180
here I have this whole set I'm trying to

1657
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:39,130
decide well what am I gonna do with this

1658
01:18:46,740 --> 01:18:43,600
and being a good marine I am a at a

1659
01:18:49,410 --> 01:18:46,750
duffel bag and I worked late nights I

1660
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:49,420
worked around the clock sometimes and no

1661
01:18:53,700 --> 01:18:50,950
one's there so I just put them all

1662
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:53,710
inside my duffle bag and went out to the

1663
01:18:58,170 --> 01:18:55,090
parking lot put him in my car and then

1664
01:19:01,140 --> 01:18:58,180
once my shift was over I hopped in and

1665
01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:01,150
go home and I put him in the houses that

1666
01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:02,710
we had central heating air conditioning

1667
01:19:09,150 --> 01:19:06,430
an event in one wall where they returned

1668
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:09,160
that was and I just unscrewed the boats

1669
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:11,380
and I inspect them the hole that's right

1670
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:15,370
in there for me oh gosh 10 15 years and

1671
01:19:24,570 --> 01:19:21,280
until 1980 in 1980 is one of her

1672
01:19:26,820 --> 01:19:24,580
they have such a tremendous cut yeah

1673
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:26,830
comeback in employees for NASA and

1674
01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:29,410
contractors that wound up going to work

1675
01:19:33,210 --> 01:19:31,150
for Martin Marietta and Denver Colorado

1676
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:33,220
no no not to Vandenberg which gets him

1677
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:34,450
some very interesting things that I

1678
01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:36,730
discovered there I was always right in

1679
01:19:40,140 --> 01:19:38,500
the edge but were some of the most

1680
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:40,150
fantastic things were happening and

1681
01:19:46,410 --> 01:19:43,600
taking place and and it actually took

1682
01:19:49,170 --> 01:19:46,420
until I ran into people like like Brett

1683
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:49,180
Shepherd and his contactors Eden tells

1684
01:19:52,260 --> 01:19:50,770
me that that some of the things he

1685
01:19:54,030 --> 01:19:52,270
didn't believe was possible until he met

1686
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,040
me and saw the pictures and thought that

1687
01:19:57,900 --> 01:19:56,560
I wasn't like my mother I said you know

1688
01:19:59,880 --> 01:19:57,910
is tell the truth that way you don't

1689
01:20:02,430 --> 01:19:59,890
have to worry about what you told who

1690
01:20:04,260 --> 01:20:02,440
when and where and if it's something

1691
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:04,270
that's important to you save it because

1692
01:20:08,130 --> 01:20:05,770
it may become important to other people

1693
01:20:10,170 --> 01:20:08,140
and that's for how I got to the point to

1694
01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:10,180
where I am now and they somebody came up

1695
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,430
with this whistleblower thing and well

1696
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:15,040
how many how many images how many images

1697
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:17,050
are we talking about here how many

1698
01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:23,920
prints and how many negatives yes I

1699
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:26,670
never have counted them several hundred

1700
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,770
right now that was the other thing is at

1701
01:20:34,230 --> 01:20:31,600
the same period of time when I was there

1702
01:20:36,810 --> 01:20:34,240
at the oil they were a lot of people

1703
01:20:38,549 --> 01:20:36,820
were being laid off a number of people

1704
01:20:39,989 --> 01:20:38,559
needed to run the program was

1705
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:39,999
diminished and there's something called

1706
01:20:50,339 --> 01:20:44,169
a I call it flip stand about three and a

1707
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:50,349
half feet long and document protector

1708
01:20:57,419 --> 01:20:52,510
things that are wired into it too like a

1709
01:20:59,429 --> 01:20:57,429
big giant book binder if you say and how

1710
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:59,439
they threw up but I'm sure so I get two

1711
01:21:03,299 --> 01:21:00,159
of those and I

1712
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:03,309
I kept pictures in document protectors

1713
01:21:07,979 --> 01:21:05,530
all these years so that they didn't have

1714
01:21:10,319 --> 01:21:07,989
they weren't subject to too much oxygen

1715
01:21:12,059 --> 01:21:10,329
and deterioration over the years so even

1716
01:21:14,219 --> 01:21:12,069
the pictures that I have been are some

1717
01:21:16,979 --> 01:21:14,229
them are like nearly fifty years old

1718
01:21:20,579 --> 01:21:16,989
are still in excellent condition cuz the

1719
01:21:26,429 --> 01:21:20,589
way I kept them has anybody asked for

1720
01:21:29,250 --> 01:21:26,439
them back no well yes it's this thing

1721
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:29,260
you should say that right after we

1722
01:21:36,059 --> 01:21:33,489
finished the Apollo program there was a

1723
01:21:38,059 --> 01:21:36,069
group of people and I call them men and

1724
01:21:42,839 --> 01:21:38,069
black or whatever they were a weird

1725
01:21:44,699 --> 01:21:42,849
individuals okay we went up to all of

1726
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,709
our people because several people told

1727
01:21:48,389 --> 01:21:46,239
me to happen to them to save the house

1728
01:21:50,729 --> 01:21:48,399
and they said they were looking for any

1729
01:21:54,929 --> 01:21:50,739
documents or records a blue Prancer and

1730
01:21:57,689 --> 01:21:54,939
think that we may have kept of our

1731
01:21:59,879 --> 01:21:57,699
Saturn 5 and there's command modules and

1732
01:22:01,649 --> 01:21:59,889
lunar modules and all the stuff and I

1733
01:22:03,449 --> 01:22:01,659
looked at I'm rather dumb with all right

1734
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:03,459
I don't know what you talk about no I'm

1735
01:22:08,879 --> 01:22:06,369
sorry those are left of the lrl the end

1736
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:08,889
of it did they suspect anything or was

1737
01:22:11,509 --> 01:22:10,449
this something that they did with

1738
01:22:17,179 --> 01:22:11,519
everybody

1739
01:22:20,609 --> 01:22:17,189
wasn't I wasn't kicked out at the time

1740
01:22:25,469 --> 01:22:20,619
I've been I said I guess who I get zero

1741
01:22:27,149 --> 01:22:25,479
now well I was after the Skylab and I

1742
01:22:28,739 --> 01:22:27,159
went to work over the TR to tell you

1743
01:22:30,409 --> 01:22:28,749
well actually no I left the whole space

1744
01:22:32,399 --> 01:22:30,419
program for about six months and

1745
01:22:35,759 --> 01:22:32,409
wouldn't for a while they're way more

1746
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:35,769
PhD scientists selling newspapers on the

1747
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:39,010
streets in Houston than anyplace else in

1748
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:40,719
the world until eight nine jobs the

1749
01:22:44,609 --> 01:22:42,489
attitude fine it was you know we went to

1750
01:22:47,699 --> 01:22:44,619
the moon we did what we did and now they

1751
01:22:51,130 --> 01:22:47,709
have to try to get back into the society

1752
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:51,140
and doing what their specialties were so

1753
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:53,210
scientists engineers and started

1754
01:22:59,020 --> 01:22:56,090
disappearing I and I mean no disrespect

1755
01:23:01,450 --> 01:22:59,030
to the people that stayed with NASA and

1756
01:23:04,750 --> 01:23:01,460
all but the majority of the people that

1757
01:23:08,590 --> 01:23:04,760
stayed didn't have the the technology or

1758
01:23:11,380 --> 01:23:08,600
the education to be able to to run the

1759
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:11,390
kind of programs they did in fact I went

1760
01:23:17,410 --> 01:23:14,960
back for a news thing after I went

1761
01:23:19,150 --> 01:23:17,420
public and one of the guys says oh my

1762
01:23:20,890 --> 01:23:19,160
god you're one of those guys it it

1763
01:23:23,530 --> 01:23:20,900
helped us yeah we couldn't do it today

1764
01:23:25,630 --> 01:23:23,540
you know and that was just it they're

1765
01:23:27,670 --> 01:23:25,640
the ones that stayed probably weren't

1766
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,680
the brightest was of the budget I said I

1767
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:29,600
know there should be there's a brilliant

1768
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:31,730
people that stayed because they said if

1769
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:32,810
this is what they wanted is your

1770
01:23:38,590 --> 01:23:35,360
contribution to their life and that's

1771
01:23:41,590 --> 01:23:38,600
the other thing I am now now 50 well if

1772
01:23:44,230 --> 01:23:41,600
you're dyslexic I'm only 57 but if

1773
01:23:50,500 --> 01:23:44,240
you're not I'm really 75 so that works

1774
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:50,510
for me well what about and 75 you don't

1775
01:23:59,380 --> 01:23:54,770
look correct so yeah the II mentioned

1776
01:24:02,950 --> 01:23:59,390
lunar rocks did you did you handle any

1777
01:24:04,570 --> 01:24:02,960
of those I don't wanna know if you have

1778
01:24:10,510 --> 01:24:04,580
any I'm not gonna ask you that question

1779
01:24:12,820 --> 01:24:10,520
but oh oh well no I don't but I'll tell

1780
01:24:15,100 --> 01:24:12,830
you what I have a little box here that's

1781
01:24:17,410 --> 01:24:15,110
it's a cube it's a one inch by one inch

1782
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:17,420
by one inch and inside it I have some

1783
01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:19,610
funny looking little rocks that have

1784
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:22,760
little pores on them and and they could

1785
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:26,050
pass they could pass for it some of the

1786
01:24:31,210 --> 01:24:28,490
shoeboxes I'm straddling in family this

1787
01:24:32,770 --> 01:24:31,220
box right they could pass in fact that

1788
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:32,780
this little box was one of the boxes

1789
01:24:38,110 --> 01:24:34,880
that we would put samples in a cardboard

1790
01:24:40,770 --> 01:24:38,120
box that is in it to my knowledge it's

1791
01:24:43,330 --> 01:24:40,780
really not a piece of lunar material

1792
01:24:44,490 --> 01:24:43,340
because if it was they would be coming

1793
01:24:47,470 --> 01:24:44,500
after me too

1794
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:47,480
yeah they would come a fan for the moon

1795
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:48,290
rocks

1796
01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:52,250
so you didn't okay

1797
01:24:58,360 --> 01:24:56,450
the do you ever feel we're gonna take a

1798
01:25:01,150 --> 01:24:58,370
break here did you ever feel weird do

1799
01:25:03,100 --> 01:25:01,160
you feel guilty or now you can look back

1800
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:03,110
and go wow I'm glad that I did that but

1801
01:25:05,089 --> 01:25:03,570
did

1802
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:05,099
do you ever feel weird like you were

1803
01:25:14,890 --> 01:25:09,900
stealing like I see no I think it'd be

1804
01:25:17,629 --> 01:25:14,900
more like I was preserving right okay

1805
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:17,639
well after you you'd be you're put in a

1806
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:19,920
situation where you see that things are

1807
01:25:23,959 --> 01:25:22,260
being hidden and it wasn't what we were

1808
01:25:26,689 --> 01:25:23,969
supposed to be doing doing the minimum

1809
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:26,699
and accomplishing right you you get to

1810
01:25:30,530 --> 01:25:29,130
point and and when we get back I'll talk

1811
01:25:32,930 --> 01:25:30,540
a little bit about some of the things I

1812
01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:32,940
was a part of at the Vandenberg Air

1813
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:35,310
Force Base and the testing though the MX

1814
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:36,719
missile Rockets and all that good stuff

1815
01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:40,320
so we were yes we were with top-secret

1816
01:25:45,530 --> 01:25:41,760
clearances there are things that we

1817
01:25:48,589 --> 01:25:45,540
didn't talk about and it's been a long

1818
01:25:50,089 --> 01:25:48,599
long long time and it's about time but

1819
01:25:54,020 --> 01:25:50,099
the people come forward with information

1820
01:25:54,649 --> 01:25:54,030
that they have now and one last quick

1821
01:25:56,540 --> 01:25:54,659
question

1822
01:26:01,370 --> 01:25:56,550
and then we'll take a break and get

1823
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:01,380
Brett in here the much has been made

1824
01:26:09,649 --> 01:26:05,250
about the removal of the cross hairs

1825
01:26:12,319 --> 01:26:09,659
from the Hasselblad do you make much of

1826
01:26:13,939 --> 01:26:12,329
that you know the removal of the cross

1827
01:26:18,979 --> 01:26:13,949
hairs where they did it for publishing

1828
01:26:22,700 --> 01:26:18,989
and press releases well that's that was

1829
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,710
pretty typical of things actually we

1830
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:24,480
didn't have the digital capabilities

1831
01:26:29,330 --> 01:26:27,810
back then we just had to make a copy and

1832
01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:29,340
advising notes often they would paint

1833
01:26:33,050 --> 01:26:30,840
things they wanted to and then they

1834
01:26:36,169 --> 01:26:33,060
would reproduce the pictures and the

1835
01:26:38,959 --> 01:26:36,179
press as a rule would get those were

1836
01:26:44,060 --> 01:26:38,969
they had painted over to clean it out

1837
01:26:46,669 --> 01:26:44,070
the the crosshairs her own cameras but

1838
01:26:48,290 --> 01:26:46,679
no there was they were doing that

1839
01:26:50,810 --> 01:26:48,300
everybody were even doing that back in

1840
01:26:54,020 --> 01:26:50,820
the mercury and Gemini right now

1841
01:26:55,609 --> 01:26:54,030
programmed to so it wasn't a big shock

1842
01:26:58,010 --> 01:26:55,619
that that kind of stuff was going on

1843
01:27:00,970 --> 01:26:58,020
until it got to be some of the things

1844
01:27:04,010 --> 01:27:00,980
that I was very close to it like wow

1845
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:04,020
where did that information go and that's

1846
01:27:07,069 --> 01:27:05,820
the one of the nice things is pictures

1847
01:27:08,780 --> 01:27:07,079
and things that I have still have all

1848
01:27:10,459 --> 01:27:08,790
the cross hairs one of the biggest

1849
01:27:12,140 --> 01:27:10,469
things we do and a little faster

1850
01:27:13,339 --> 01:27:12,150
is the portable life support system that

1851
01:27:15,229 --> 01:27:13,349
they have on the back which was

1852
01:27:17,169 --> 01:27:15,239
providing the oxygen and pressure for

1853
01:27:20,990 --> 01:27:17,179
those faces

1854
01:27:25,220 --> 01:27:21,000
has an antenna sticking up in this pen

1855
01:27:27,020 --> 01:27:25,230
or HF antenna and is such a thin little

1856
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:27,030
wire sticking up that when they're

1857
01:27:30,379 --> 01:27:28,170
trying to paint out things that were

1858
01:27:31,820 --> 01:27:30,389
behind the astronauts they would have to

1859
01:27:33,500 --> 01:27:31,830
just pull out the antenna so when you're

1860
01:27:35,390 --> 01:27:33,510
looking at one of the old pictures like

1861
01:27:36,589 --> 01:27:35,400
I have and you see the antenna and then

1862
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:36,599
you look at the latest ones that you

1863
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:38,730
ordered from NASA and the antenna is

1864
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:40,679
gone then you very quickly can see oh

1865
01:27:46,129 --> 01:27:43,530
that's why they painted that out there's

1866
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something there yeah very interesting

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all right let's take our break and we'll

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get Brett in here Brett Shepherd will be

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joining us right after the break and

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we'll start going through these images

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I've got about eight or ten here and

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we'll go through those with both Ken and

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Brett this is fade to black I'm your

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host Jimmy Church I'll be right back

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Brett Colin Shepherd Brett how are you

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I'm doing great how are you it's good to

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01:32:44,259 --> 01:32:41,479
hear your voice and I you know it was

1951
01:32:47,290 --> 01:32:44,269
good hanging out with you back at

1952
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:47,300
Roswell and and the work that you have

1953
01:32:54,339 --> 01:32:50,960
done and and and finding this stuff is

1954
01:32:54,850 --> 01:32:54,349
absolutely incredible we've got of

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01:32:58,060 --> 01:32:54,860
course

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kena's right here with us too as well

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and now where I've got a collection of

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01:33:07,239 --> 01:33:04,789
these images here and and thank you for

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01:33:13,229 --> 01:33:07,249
getting those to us your website is

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Brett Colin cambiar eTCO LAN calm and

1961
01:33:17,919 --> 01:33:16,070
everybody can go and read about up

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01:33:20,500 --> 01:33:17,929
Brett's work in his books and and so

1963
01:33:24,759 --> 01:33:20,510
forth or other right there when you

1964
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:24,769
first started to look at now the amount

1965
01:33:30,009 --> 01:33:26,570
of information is overwhelming I'll

1966
01:33:31,989 --> 01:33:30,019
remember talking to you guys there at

1967
01:33:35,020 --> 01:33:31,999
Roswell and I'm looking at all of this

1968
01:33:36,910 --> 01:33:35,030
stuff and my head started swimming but

1969
01:33:40,359 --> 01:33:36,920
it takes somebody like yourself to go

1970
01:33:43,029 --> 01:33:40,369
and look at this these images you've got

1971
01:33:45,399 --> 01:33:43,039
to compare them to the originals as you

1972
01:33:49,270 --> 01:33:45,409
started to pick this stuff out what what

1973
01:33:51,729 --> 01:33:49,280
went through your mind well I would say

1974
01:33:54,609 --> 01:33:51,739
the the the first very recognizable

1975
01:33:58,029 --> 01:33:54,619
thing that is different in Ken's images

1976
01:34:01,870 --> 01:33:58,039
that you don't see on the official NASA

1977
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:01,880
websites is the all of the completely

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01:34:07,239 --> 01:34:04,639
blackened out backgrounds in all the

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01:34:10,959 --> 01:34:07,249
lunar skies and all stations the space

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01:34:14,739 --> 01:34:10,969
images and there's a couple of reasons

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01:34:16,930 --> 01:34:14,749
for that when I look at Ken's images I

1982
01:34:19,660 --> 01:34:16,940
actually see things flying around and I

1983
01:34:21,579 --> 01:34:19,670
actually see Venus you know so there

1984
01:34:23,049 --> 01:34:21,589
there are things in the lunar

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01:34:25,179 --> 01:34:23,059
kind of course you know the astronauts

1986
01:34:28,389 --> 01:34:25,189
came back and said that they could not

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see stars even with their own eyes yeah

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01:34:32,979 --> 01:34:31,339
remember that the famous right the

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01:34:35,379 --> 01:34:32,989
famous press conference where they kind

1990
01:34:37,389 --> 01:34:35,389
of looked at each other would yeah right

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01:34:39,609 --> 01:34:37,399
yeah they were looking all sad for other

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01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:39,619
reasons and it was what you suspected

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that NASA is a propaganda outfit and

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01:34:47,770 --> 01:34:45,709
there is another secret space program

1995
01:34:51,219 --> 01:34:47,780
alongside of that and has been the whole

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time and it's why NASA astronauts had

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01:34:56,799 --> 01:34:53,809
seen craft on the way to the moon and

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back now

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01:35:03,909 --> 01:35:00,169
why so much has been made about you know

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the no stars in the background and so

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01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:06,409
you're looking at Ken's images you just

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01:35:11,799 --> 01:35:09,169
said Venus well I don't remember seeing

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01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:11,809
Venus in any apollo shot so why would

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01:35:18,849 --> 01:35:15,280
they take venus out yeah you know well

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01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:18,859
it was nine convenient truth that they

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01:35:22,509 --> 01:35:21,050
could see things in the background at

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01:35:26,069 --> 01:35:22,519
all then they would have to say well

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what else is in the background right

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again but like not like Collins I think

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01:35:35,259 --> 01:35:33,679
it was Jim Irwin I was I was talking

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01:35:36,939 --> 01:35:35,269
with when they would get into the shadow

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01:35:37,449 --> 01:35:36,949
of the lunar module sitting on the lunar

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01:35:39,969 --> 01:35:37,459
surface

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01:35:42,250 --> 01:35:39,979
with the Sun would be behind that they

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01:35:44,409 --> 01:35:42,260
were in in the shell area and they were

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looking out an eye they could see other

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01:35:47,889 --> 01:35:46,249
stars and things like that but by and

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01:35:49,089 --> 01:35:47,899
large since all the pictures started

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01:35:51,790 --> 01:35:49,099
getting doctored as soon as they got

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them back thinking about as I described

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01:35:57,099 --> 01:35:55,489
a little bit earlier then you wouldn't

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01:35:58,419 --> 01:35:57,109
have now coming from the clan miles I

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01:36:00,009 --> 01:35:58,429
think Brett is one of your thing you

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01:36:02,279 --> 01:36:00,019
have pictures with you could see the

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01:36:05,739 --> 01:36:02,289
lunar horizon and you could see Venus

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01:36:10,329 --> 01:36:05,749
rising over the the curvature of the

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01:36:13,839 --> 01:36:10,339
moon now yeah that's a fascinating part

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01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:13,849
about this now Brett when you are doing

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01:36:18,339 --> 01:36:16,159
the a B right you've got the originals

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01:36:22,149 --> 01:36:18,349
and you're going back and looking at the

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01:36:24,489 --> 01:36:22,159
published versions of this yeah I don't

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01:36:27,459 --> 01:36:24,499
know looking at public ones less and

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01:36:31,580 --> 01:36:27,469
less as they went along

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01:36:36,770 --> 01:36:31,590
because he was every single image

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01:36:38,930 --> 01:36:36,780
retouched yes no and and no they were

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01:36:40,729 --> 01:36:38,940
even retouched before they even went to

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01:36:43,790 --> 01:36:40,739
the public at all including the

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universities that they've hired to clean

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01:36:49,090 --> 01:36:47,159
them up right we're already already done

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01:36:52,879 --> 01:36:49,100
before they even got to the universities

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01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:52,889
all right can you say no I get that I'm

2042
01:36:56,510 --> 01:36:55,170
saying no because I I got them before

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01:37:00,649 --> 01:36:56,520
they were touched I'm sorry

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01:37:02,180 --> 01:37:00,659
oh no yes Ken ken did Ken got them but

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01:37:05,629 --> 01:37:02,190
you know all of the NASA images

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01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:05,639
afterwards or whatever were we're done

2047
01:37:13,399 --> 01:37:11,130
digitally and what happened was is that

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01:37:15,649 --> 01:37:13,409
they were just learning the process it

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01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:15,659
seemed with and with Ken's images that

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01:37:24,109 --> 01:37:19,170
he has and they were using old styled

2051
01:37:26,330 --> 01:37:24,119
Chesley Bonestell Disney formatting but

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01:37:28,129 --> 01:37:26,340
putting acetate over the images getting

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01:37:31,070 --> 01:37:28,139
rid of what they don't want the public

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01:37:33,470 --> 01:37:31,080
to see because remember it is a public

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01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:33,480
propaganda outfit right so they're

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01:37:38,450 --> 01:37:36,000
they're stripping out these things and

2057
01:37:40,970 --> 01:37:38,460
Donna here has come forward and said

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01:37:42,740 --> 01:37:40,980
that they do this you know but and she

2059
01:37:45,260 --> 01:37:42,750
also mentioned that yes they had clear

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01:37:46,910 --> 01:37:45,270
acetate over the images and what they

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01:37:48,979 --> 01:37:46,920
would do is take out all their stuff and

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01:37:50,689 --> 01:37:48,989
then refilm it just like Disney does

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01:37:55,729 --> 01:37:50,699
with the background yeah yeah yeah I

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01:37:58,490 --> 01:37:55,739
worked in dark rooms you know for for

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01:38:01,970 --> 01:37:58,500
probably ten years and I understand the

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01:38:04,340 --> 01:38:01,980
process behind it and retouching for

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01:38:07,700 --> 01:38:04,350
whatever reasons whether it's dust or

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01:38:09,890 --> 01:38:07,710
hair or you know just anomalies in that

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01:38:11,660 --> 01:38:09,900
you know everything you know got cleaned

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01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:11,670
up but in this case we're talking about

2071
01:38:17,780 --> 01:38:14,850
removing artifacts and things that were

2072
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:17,790
there that they did not want us to see

2073
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:21,449
and right that is what is amazing to me

2074
01:38:28,970 --> 01:38:25,530
the wall to all of us in this collection

2075
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:28,980
of images here let's I don't want to run

2076
01:38:36,170 --> 01:38:32,010
out of time I want to specifically go

2077
01:38:38,570 --> 01:38:36,180
through these which one okay

2078
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:38,580
IIIi want to do this one first because

2079
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:42,330
this one's pretty crazy which is Gemini

2080
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:46,260
12 right okay so I'm pulling this up

2081
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:52,400
Rita go ahead and post Gemini 12 Brett

2082
01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:56,130
enhanced okay this is going to pop up

2083
01:39:01,130 --> 01:38:57,840
here and Twitter there's about a 10

2084
01:39:06,710 --> 01:39:01,140
second delay so a little naughty crap

2085
01:39:10,670 --> 01:39:06,720
doesn't I that is okay so in this image

2086
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:10,680
that we are looking at how much of it is

2087
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:15,330
enlarged what is the size of this well

2088
01:39:22,850 --> 01:39:18,810
the size of that particular UFO compared

2089
01:39:27,860 --> 01:39:22,860
to the Gemini 12 and the foreground you

2090
01:39:30,190 --> 01:39:27,870
know my gosh you know that thing it

2091
01:39:35,540 --> 01:39:30,200
would have to be 50 feet right you know

2092
01:39:38,810 --> 01:39:35,550
and and what that is that you know it's

2093
01:39:41,180 --> 01:39:38,820
a crazy shot now okay so let's play

2094
01:39:45,020 --> 01:39:41,190
devil's advocate here because it looks

2095
01:39:47,930 --> 01:39:45,030
it looks alien it looks et okay I get

2096
01:39:51,980 --> 01:39:47,940
that if it wasn't that and we were

2097
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:51,990
trying to explain it away what do you

2098
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:57,450
think it could be there's a couple of

2099
01:40:02,840 --> 01:39:59,760
options I think it's the shape of it is

2100
01:40:07,730 --> 01:40:02,850
very unusual to be up to be any kind of

2101
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:07,740
a scratch or an image flaw okay and yet

2102
01:40:14,180 --> 01:40:11,250
the other thing is this was from a slide

2103
01:40:17,660 --> 01:40:14,190
that they showed executives in meetings

2104
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:17,670
I think they would have fixed it before

2105
01:40:22,370 --> 01:40:19,170
they took it into the meeting you know

2106
01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:22,380
right so you know this was to show the

2107
01:40:26,810 --> 01:40:24,510
executives and there were a lot of

2108
01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:26,820
anomalies and those in those old Finley

2109
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:29,910
holiday slides that ken has as a bunch

2110
01:40:34,910 --> 01:40:33,330
of those too and you know they didn't

2111
01:40:37,100 --> 01:40:34,920
touch him up for anything they just come

2112
01:40:38,330 --> 01:40:37,110
in and took him to the meeting or

2113
01:40:41,090 --> 01:40:38,340
whatever and said this is the

2114
01:40:44,380 --> 01:40:41,100
advancement of space and all that well

2115
01:40:46,850 --> 01:40:44,390
you know there's this little anomaly

2116
01:40:49,470 --> 01:40:46,860
which isn't so little it's pretty

2117
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:49,480
blatant you know what

2118
01:41:00,240 --> 01:40:56,850
about the what about smoke or what about

2119
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:00,250
plastic wrap what about I don't know I'm

2120
01:41:05,340 --> 01:41:02,290
just trying to think of something well

2121
01:41:07,380 --> 01:41:05,350
you know man it is ambiguous because

2122
01:41:13,729 --> 01:41:07,390
it's an image there is a perception

2123
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:13,739
issue right you know even even if those

2124
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:16,570
executives or whoever at NASA knew the

2125
01:41:22,440 --> 01:41:19,570
truth you know they couldn't expect

2126
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:22,450
anyone else to have the same perception

2127
01:41:29,250 --> 01:41:25,890
right and and it seems like if it was

2128
01:41:33,210 --> 01:41:29,260
explainable right whatever it is it's

2129
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:33,220
it's you know it's it's the wrap from a

2130
01:41:35,850 --> 01:41:34,210
pop-tart

2131
01:41:38,430 --> 01:41:35,860
you know they threw it out the window

2132
01:41:40,020 --> 01:41:38,440
whatever it is right whatever the that

2133
01:41:42,660 --> 01:41:40,030
they would just say that that's what it

2134
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:42,670
was right or a UFO shaped bug or

2135
01:41:48,900 --> 01:41:45,070
something right right all right it's a

2136
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:48,910
bird it's swamp gas but that's that's an

2137
01:41:55,229 --> 01:41:53,110
incredible image now in the original

2138
01:41:57,300 --> 01:41:55,239
image you said Gemini 12 is in the

2139
01:42:00,380 --> 01:41:57,310
foreground you can see that part of it

2140
01:42:03,810 --> 01:42:00,390
what what do you think are you able to

2141
01:42:08,580 --> 01:42:03,820
do any type of triangulation in that how

2142
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:08,590
far away was this from Gemini 12 that

2143
01:42:17,130 --> 01:42:12,850
looks that looks about probably about a

2144
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:17,140
mile or two right that is crazy and now

2145
01:42:26,930 --> 01:42:20,610
and and we have to remember back when

2146
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:26,940
Gemini 12 there weren't a whole lot of

2147
01:42:33,300 --> 01:42:29,370
man-made objects in space

2148
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:33,310
no not like today right and so the odds

2149
01:42:38,700 --> 01:42:36,250
of something coming by some kind of

2150
01:42:40,290 --> 01:42:38,710
debris or whatever or another satellite

2151
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:40,300
which it doesn't look like a satellite

2152
01:42:44,460 --> 01:42:42,850
anyway but there wasn't a whole lot that

2153
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:44,470
was going on up there

2154
01:42:49,229 --> 01:42:46,930
no there wasn't satellites like we have

2155
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:49,239
today everything was just starting you

2156
01:42:59,790 --> 01:42:55,360
know right okay which lets see a digital

2157
01:43:01,380 --> 01:42:59,800
moon should we go to Apollo 15 what

2158
01:43:02,430 --> 01:43:01,390
would you guys like to do next all of

2159
01:43:04,980 --> 01:43:02,440
these are just amazing

2160
01:43:10,530 --> 01:43:04,990
let's do it yeah that would be great

2161
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:10,540
let's do digital moon okay now okay

2162
01:43:14,130 --> 01:43:11,890
first off

2163
01:43:17,490 --> 01:43:14,140
Rita go ahead and get digital moon up

2164
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:17,500
here and I want you guys to set this up

2165
01:43:24,930 --> 01:43:20,770
here the the parabolic dish array base

2166
01:43:27,150 --> 01:43:24,940
on the moon I'm going to get it up here

2167
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:27,160
in just a second what is this and where

2168
01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:30,880
was this shot this was shot in the in

2169
01:43:37,650 --> 01:43:34,980
the northern rim of mayor fundin talus

2170
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:37,660
okay and it's on the near side of the

2171
01:43:46,140 --> 01:43:43,600
moon so it's in your sight and Bible it

2172
01:43:48,570 --> 01:43:46,150
of module as it was reconnecting with

2173
01:43:50,250 --> 01:43:48,580
the commandment we've got this great

2174
01:43:52,470 --> 01:43:50,260
shot of the lunar surface in the

2175
01:43:57,140 --> 01:43:52,480
background module flying around an

2176
01:44:00,450 --> 01:43:57,150
Apollo 15 ok bright you're breaking up

2177
01:44:04,530 --> 01:44:00,460
so check your bars whatever whatever is

2178
01:44:06,990 --> 01:44:04,540
going on there you guys also have an ED

2179
01:44:11,610 --> 01:44:07,000
is there another image of this with the

2180
01:44:14,370 --> 01:44:11,620
actual crater I think you might have

2181
01:44:16,230 --> 01:44:14,380
sent that to me it's actually on the

2182
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:16,240
edge of a sea so it's not on a crater

2183
01:44:21,630 --> 01:44:19,450
okay but the one that you're talking

2184
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:21,640
about is the old one from the lunar

2185
01:44:28,710 --> 01:44:25,330
orbiter image and it was on the side of

2186
01:44:31,730 --> 01:44:28,720
a crater okay I haven't hear that yes

2187
01:44:38,460 --> 01:44:31,740
it's not a named crater okay it's Apollo

2188
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:38,470
15 et lunar okay so Rita yes and

2189
01:44:47,130 --> 01:44:41,610
next let's get these going back to back

2190
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:47,140
post the one that says Apollo 15 command

2191
01:44:55,380 --> 01:44:53,290
module in lunar orbit array anomaly but

2192
01:45:00,810 --> 01:44:55,390
it's uh let me see here it's the only

2193
01:45:05,420 --> 01:45:00,820
one Rita that says Apollo 15 okay now so

2194
01:45:09,480 --> 01:45:05,430
when and now I'm looking at this here

2195
01:45:11,970 --> 01:45:09,490
okay I need I need an explanation for

2196
01:45:14,810 --> 01:45:11,980
everybody I want to be very very clear

2197
01:45:18,770 --> 01:45:14,820
here that the Apollo

2198
01:45:21,590 --> 01:45:18,780
fifteen image which is going to pop up

2199
01:45:26,540 --> 01:45:21,600
here in a second I see the crosshairs

2200
01:45:31,190 --> 01:45:26,550
this is a scan from the original print

2201
01:45:35,540 --> 01:45:31,200
from can therefore these are not digital

2202
01:45:39,410 --> 01:45:35,550
artifacts from pixelization this is from

2203
01:45:44,210 --> 01:45:39,420
the actual slide or print that's correct

2204
01:45:48,650 --> 01:45:44,220
okay now that that is redonkulous lee

2205
01:45:49,640 --> 01:45:48,660
crazy this image here I need an

2206
01:46:00,530 --> 01:45:49,650
explanation

2207
01:46:02,420 --> 01:46:00,540
the from NASA exactly so do we hear our

2208
01:46:04,220 --> 01:46:02,430
brett was getting a chance to look at my

2209
01:46:07,220 --> 01:46:04,230
archive one of the first time that we're

2210
01:46:11,090 --> 01:46:07,230
doing along coming up on this particular

2211
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:11,100
picture and i'm i'm in enlarge owed just

2212
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:13,770
maybe about once or twice at the most

2213
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:17,970
and the command module portion of it and

2214
01:46:21,380 --> 01:46:19,530
that you're looking i don't know what's

2215
01:46:22,730 --> 01:46:21,390
on the right-hand side it was what i was

2216
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:22,740
interested in about it now i'm telling

2217
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:24,810
but i will take a look here who does the

2218
01:46:27,710 --> 01:46:26,010
command module and the lunar module

2219
01:46:29,330 --> 01:46:27,720
rhonda doing and looking at each other

2220
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:29,340
the ensuring it all equipment everything

2221
01:46:32,900 --> 01:46:30,960
goes together before they rendezvous and

2222
01:46:35,150 --> 01:46:32,910
dock right and about this thing that

2223
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:35,160
says no no look what's on the lunar

2224
01:46:39,170 --> 01:46:37,440
service now he's got a different brain

2225
01:46:41,240 --> 01:46:39,180
that i have i mean he's an artist he can

2226
01:46:42,890 --> 01:46:41,250
perceive and see things that yesterday

2227
01:46:44,990 --> 01:46:42,900
point me at it and then bios gets closer

2228
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:45,000
and i look at son of a gun would you

2229
01:46:49,580 --> 01:46:46,890
look at what's on the learners of it you

2230
01:46:52,730 --> 01:46:49,590
know what that brett you think over well

2231
01:46:56,150 --> 01:46:52,740
it's very interesting I looked at that

2232
01:46:59,510 --> 01:46:56,160
image and compared it with the online

2233
01:47:02,630 --> 01:46:59,520
NASA image and it was smudged out or

2234
01:47:06,410 --> 01:47:02,640
taken out and also the part of the

2235
01:47:08,900 --> 01:47:06,420
crosshairs were also taken out so I knew

2236
01:47:10,730 --> 01:47:08,910
that they had already altered it or

2237
01:47:14,930 --> 01:47:10,740
maybe altered it after I'd mentioned it

2238
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:14,940
but you know it in Ken's image which by

2239
01:47:18,020 --> 01:47:16,290
the way I don't care about the NASA

2240
01:47:21,940 --> 01:47:18,030
images anymore believe me I've gone

2241
01:47:25,190 --> 01:47:21,950
through tunnels with this stuff and

2242
01:47:27,290 --> 01:47:25,200
Ken's images are very authentic

2243
01:47:28,490 --> 01:47:27,300
you know they though the way they were

2244
01:47:30,230 --> 01:47:28,500
printed there

2245
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:30,240
actually eight-by-ten prints and he's

2246
01:47:34,690 --> 01:47:33,210
also got the the posi negative straight

2247
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:34,700
from the Hasselblad

2248
01:47:40,670 --> 01:47:38,130
you know so you can't really budget that

2249
01:47:43,670 --> 01:47:40,680
up it hasn't been altered yet even if

2250
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:43,680
there's a mistake on the film so you

2251
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:46,530
know I'm looking at this this particular

2252
01:47:54,220 --> 01:47:50,250
image on the surface and I noticed that

2253
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:54,230
the there were rows of lights completely

2254
01:47:59,420 --> 01:47:56,880
organized in rows and and also I

2255
01:48:03,020 --> 01:47:59,430
measured them and the exact distance

2256
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:03,030
from each other yeah I've got a blown up

2257
01:48:11,390 --> 01:48:09,930
here on my monitor huge and that that

2258
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:11,400
like I said that needs some explaining

2259
01:48:20,210 --> 01:48:17,250
here because it definitely it's also the

2260
01:48:24,020 --> 01:48:20,220
perspective of the shot it's it's it's

2261
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:24,030
on the surface of the Moon and it's it's

2262
01:48:28,460 --> 01:48:26,250
it's obviously not a natural formation

2263
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:28,470
of anything this was something that was

2264
01:48:36,380 --> 01:48:34,320
built it's very likely that it was built

2265
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:36,390
during project horizon in nineteen

2266
01:48:41,930 --> 01:48:39,210
starting in 1958 with general Trudeau

2267
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:41,940
and Eisenhower on that project because

2268
01:48:47,060 --> 01:48:44,250
they wanted a lunar base up there for

2269
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:47,070
strategic reasons so that's what you

2270
01:48:54,050 --> 01:48:52,890
think okay go ahead Ken is it when you

2271
01:48:55,460 --> 01:48:54,060
take a look at this and then from an

2272
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,470
engineering standpoint and I'm looking

2273
01:49:00,200 --> 01:48:58,320
at it is the smaller domes of things are

2274
01:49:03,140 --> 01:49:00,210
all equally spaced they're spaced apart

2275
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:03,150
there's actually evidence of a either

2276
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:06,210
vehicle had tracked in between a couple

2277
01:49:10,370 --> 01:49:08,250
of the rows that is exactly what we

2278
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:10,380
think the humans would do if we're

2279
01:49:14,330 --> 01:49:11,730
building a base now you take a look at

2280
01:49:16,910 --> 01:49:14,340
what I saw in this crater dekosky

2281
01:49:19,570 --> 01:49:16,920
they're domes and things were made to

2282
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:19,580
fit within the confines of the crater

2283
01:49:24,650 --> 01:49:22,560
the way it would naturally fit not that

2284
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:24,660
we forced it into like you're looking

2285
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:26,610
here at these pictures here there's of

2286
01:49:30,980 --> 01:49:29,760
the base and that was once once Brett

2287
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:30,990
pointed that one out to me I was just

2288
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,600
like oh my god I've been looking at that

2289
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:36,080
for how many decades and I never saw it

2290
01:49:45,290 --> 01:49:39,360
yeah that's incredible is that similar

2291
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,140
the film was over cheer Kowski and know

2292
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:50,400
there's two different that's what I was

2293
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:53,520
explaining this base and Bret has going

2294
01:49:58,100 --> 01:49:56,130
forward and been able to estimate the

2295
01:50:00,950 --> 01:49:58,110
size it was based upon the altitude of

2296
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:00,960
the command module in that orbit and how

2297
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:03,170
much space is taking him so that was

2298
01:50:08,450 --> 01:50:06,210
engineering and laid out a base the way

2299
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:08,460
they wanted it whereas the the one I

2300
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:11,010
showed in the film to dr. Horton paging

2301
01:50:17,990 --> 01:50:14,820
him those domes were were created and

2302
01:50:20,750 --> 01:50:18,000
the edge of the crater just the way that

2303
01:50:22,970 --> 01:50:20,760
would fit amongst the cracks and

2304
01:50:26,150 --> 01:50:22,980
crevices and what-have-you of the crater

2305
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:26,160
so looking at in my opinion I think

2306
01:50:31,550 --> 01:50:28,410
maybe that base is probably one of our

2307
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:31,560
secret space programs bases humans base

2308
01:50:37,010 --> 01:50:34,770
nothing T now this I'm looking at the

2309
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:37,020
edge of the moon here and from the this

2310
01:50:43,820 --> 01:50:40,890
thing this is not small this is this has

2311
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:43,830
got to be dozens of miles across I would

2312
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:45,920
think how big do you estimate this is

2313
01:50:53,540 --> 01:50:50,010
yeah it's probably about 25 miles across

2314
01:50:56,540 --> 01:50:53,550
mmm yeah that's you you remind you the

2315
01:50:59,090 --> 01:50:56,550
VLA a bunch of the VLA here in New

2316
01:51:04,280 --> 01:50:59,100
Mexico's a very large arrays and they're

2317
01:51:07,340 --> 01:51:04,290
miles apart yeah somebody just posted a

2318
01:51:09,560 --> 01:51:07,350
picture of Pine Gap and yeah yeah it

2319
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:09,570
looks very similar to that a debt vid

2320
01:51:18,530 --> 01:51:14,330
certainly does now wouldn't this be

2321
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:18,540
visible this is on this is on our side

2322
01:51:22,970 --> 01:51:19,920
this is on the visible side of the moon

2323
01:51:27,230 --> 01:51:22,980
why could this be seen with just a

2324
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:27,240
normal telescope no way no and there are

2325
01:51:31,430 --> 01:51:29,520
reasons for that they make sure that the

2326
01:51:33,410 --> 01:51:31,440
strength isn't good enough is it would

2327
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:33,420
be similar to looking at something fuzzy

2328
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,400
60 miles up like normal right oh man

2329
01:51:43,460 --> 01:51:40,320
this is incredible

2330
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:43,470
this is a that's an amazing shot right

2331
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:47,250
there okay let's go to we saw the

2332
01:51:55,550 --> 01:51:52,770
digital moon okay okay

2333
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:55,560
Rita the next shot that we're gonna do

2334
01:52:03,650 --> 01:52:00,960
is dr. Ken Johnson Apollo archive let's

2335
01:52:09,140 --> 01:52:03,660
see here this one is called Apollo

2336
01:52:14,450 --> 01:52:09,150
archive collection page for 85 page 485

2337
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:14,460
now the first time that I saw this again

2338
01:52:20,300 --> 01:52:17,040
this is very very very difficult for

2339
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:20,310
anybody to explain away but for the

2340
01:52:25,689 --> 01:52:22,560
audience before the image gets posted

2341
01:52:29,900 --> 01:52:25,699
here what do we there's three images

2342
01:52:32,300 --> 01:52:29,910
what are we looking at that's crazy well

2343
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:32,310
you're looking at what's actually in the

2344
01:52:38,510 --> 01:52:36,000
lunar sky in Apollo 11 and 12 and that

2345
01:52:41,229 --> 01:52:38,520
is a craft there's no doubt about it

2346
01:52:43,729 --> 01:52:41,239
there's the Sun angle is exactly correct

2347
01:52:46,490 --> 01:52:43,739
you know it's the same as what's on the

2348
01:52:48,500 --> 01:52:46,500
surface so that is literally an object

2349
01:52:50,979 --> 01:52:48,510
floating around and it's got this little

2350
01:52:53,150 --> 01:52:50,989
antenna thing sticking out of it and

2351
01:52:56,540 --> 01:52:53,160
you're what you're seeing is a half

2352
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,550
shaded object yeah this is nuts

2353
01:53:03,500 --> 01:52:59,040
look it looks a lot like the German the

2354
01:53:07,430 --> 01:53:03,510
Hannibal it's got there's there's

2355
01:53:13,240 --> 01:53:07,440
something I wish I knew what direction

2356
01:53:16,459 --> 01:53:13,250
it was traveling in so you could know

2357
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:16,469
I'm looking at it here especially the

2358
01:53:25,340 --> 01:53:21,210
middle image which is 5450 that a little

2359
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:25,350
image it's symmetrical those two dark

2360
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:29,520
spots on the left-hand side see now the

2361
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:31,199
question is is it going from left to

2362
01:53:36,830 --> 01:53:34,890
right or right to left right left right

2363
01:53:38,900 --> 01:53:36,840
do you think it's coming do you think

2364
01:53:41,900 --> 01:53:38,910
it's going you think it's traveling left

2365
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:41,910
to right yeah they're just intuitively

2366
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:43,410
yes I think so

2367
01:53:48,229 --> 01:53:46,650
okay I kind of it could almost go any

2368
01:53:50,540 --> 01:53:48,239
see if it was going in the other

2369
01:53:53,090 --> 01:53:50,550
direction right if it was going right to

2370
01:53:55,790 --> 01:53:53,100
left then that would be the cockpit in

2371
01:53:58,250 --> 01:53:55,800
the middle right but if it's right if

2372
01:54:00,650 --> 01:53:58,260
it's going left to right then the two

2373
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:00,660
black spots are engines or some kind of

2374
01:54:05,060 --> 01:54:04,320
exhaust right yeah what's the reason why

2375
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:05,070
I'm you

2376
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:08,400
that intuition is because of how its

2377
01:54:15,410 --> 01:54:11,760
kind of cocked to the side yes you know

2378
01:54:17,359 --> 01:54:15,420
and if something's flying or whatever it

2379
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:17,369
would have it wouldn't be cocked the

2380
01:54:20,810 --> 01:54:19,679
other way you know if it was traveling

2381
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:20,820
that way necessarily

2382
01:54:26,810 --> 01:54:23,010
of course it's space you know but ok so

2383
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:26,820
right below that Brett want to get this

2384
01:54:35,899 --> 01:54:33,599
in before the break an image 7525 what's

2385
01:54:37,910 --> 01:54:35,909
the what's the difference between these

2386
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:37,920
two one is in the lunar sky one is on

2387
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:40,650
the surface yes one at one is kitchen

2388
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:44,730
across the surface during the filming of

2389
01:54:49,399 --> 01:54:48,210
the earth right now also in the

2390
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:49,409
background

2391
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I see the enlargement here what is that

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01:54:58,899 --> 01:54:54,869
anomaly right in the dead center of the

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01:55:01,640 --> 01:54:58,909
pic Wow

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01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:01,650
do you see that right right at the

2395
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:04,530
horizon at the edge of the moon there's

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01:55:09,530 --> 01:55:07,290
something there's all kinds of stuff in

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01:55:12,100 --> 01:55:09,540
that in that image right on the surface

2398
01:55:16,250 --> 01:55:12,110
that looks like big machines and stuff

2399
01:55:19,550 --> 01:55:16,260
yeah yes I see it really amazing yeah

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01:55:21,379 --> 01:55:19,560
well you know that I when I was going

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01:55:23,419 --> 01:55:21,389
through Ken's archive oh I was like I'm

2402
01:55:25,970 --> 01:55:23,429
saying all kinds of stuff my brain is

2403
01:55:28,100 --> 01:55:25,980
going crazy you know but hey I love my

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01:55:30,919 --> 01:55:28,110
lunar anomaly group and I wanted them to

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01:55:33,620 --> 01:55:30,929
have a chance to find these things you

2406
01:55:38,569 --> 01:55:33,630
know right so so I didn't post

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01:55:43,700 --> 01:55:38,579
everything you know what I mean the end

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01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,710
and this is when I look at 7525 I you

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01:55:48,740 --> 01:55:45,360
know I see the object in the foreground

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01:55:53,899 --> 01:55:48,750
and that is again crazy very similar to

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01:55:57,979 --> 01:55:53,909
the 5450 but it looks like there's two

2412
01:56:01,459 --> 01:55:57,989
of them here that's two of them cruising

2413
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:01,469
together that's uh that's an amazing

2414
01:56:05,300 --> 01:56:02,130
shot

2415
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,310
how much is this enlarged and when you

2416
01:56:11,020 --> 01:56:07,679
look at what I wanted to ask you this

2417
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:11,030
what is the original photograph of in

2418
01:56:18,069 --> 01:56:15,599
5450 what is in the foreground in the

2419
01:56:20,410 --> 01:56:18,079
foreground you just see

2420
01:56:21,459 --> 01:56:20,420
the lunar surface like the guys are

2421
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:21,469
standing on the moon

2422
01:56:27,310 --> 01:56:24,320
okay that's Apollo 11 that's Buzz and

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01:56:30,669 --> 01:56:27,320
Neil right yes yes it's a part of the

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01:56:33,850 --> 01:56:30,679
panorama they did and it could there be

2425
01:56:38,109 --> 01:56:33,860
an explanation is this part of the

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01:56:40,510 --> 01:56:38,119
command module who was that's right who

2427
01:56:43,540 --> 01:56:40,520
was who was in the command module in

2428
01:56:50,770 --> 01:56:43,550
Apollo 11 Michael Collins yeah Michael

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01:56:53,470 --> 01:56:50,780
Collins did he did he see anything you

2430
01:56:57,129 --> 01:56:53,480
know no he was pretty quiet about

2431
01:56:59,069 --> 01:56:57,139
everything right you know unusually

2432
01:57:02,260 --> 01:56:59,079
quiet right

2433
01:57:04,299 --> 01:57:02,270
that's an incredible shot you know but

2434
01:57:06,069 --> 01:57:04,309
yeah the thought it crossed my mind is

2435
01:57:08,530 --> 01:57:06,079
that the command module that they're

2436
01:57:09,819 --> 01:57:08,540
seeing but I can said no way you know

2437
01:57:12,879 --> 01:57:09,829
that was on the other side of the moon

2438
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:12,889
no that's not the command module that is

2439
01:57:24,490 --> 01:57:18,159
that's an x-wing fighter that's right

2440
01:57:26,919 --> 01:57:24,500
crazy crazy shot and in Ken's original

2441
01:57:29,979 --> 01:57:26,929
I've got one minute Brett and Ken's

2442
01:57:32,500 --> 01:57:29,989
original I don't know how enlarged this

2443
01:57:34,959 --> 01:57:32,510
is but how far away is it do you have

2444
01:57:37,089 --> 01:57:34,969
any guesstimate how long is your craft

2445
01:57:40,410 --> 01:57:37,099
you can literally see it on the 8 by 10

2446
01:57:43,780 --> 01:57:40,420
and it looks like a little white speck

2447
01:57:46,030 --> 01:57:43,790
right pretty far right right wow that's

2448
01:57:47,770 --> 01:57:46,040
incredible okay let's take a break right

2449
01:57:49,270 --> 01:57:47,780
here we'll continue going through these

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01:57:51,850 --> 01:57:49,280
images our guest

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01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:51,860
ken Johnston and Brett Shepherd is

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01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:54,530
joining us who's doing all of the

2453
01:58:01,180 --> 01:57:57,650
analysis on these incredible original

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01:58:02,379 --> 01:58:01,190
images from NASA let's fade to black I'm

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your host Jimmy Church we'll be right

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Johnston NASA image whistled war there's

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02:02:44,620 --> 02:02:42,620
a title for you Brett Shepherd is joined

2546
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:44,630
the show too as well and we're going

2547
02:02:55,980 --> 02:02:50,450
through these images and let's Ken are

2548
02:03:02,620 --> 02:02:55,990
you there yes i okay yeah okay great

2549
02:03:07,750 --> 02:03:02,630
let's go to image we're gonna do a

2550
02:03:10,930 --> 02:03:07,760
massive load here let's go to image I

2551
02:03:17,380 --> 02:03:10,940
want the balloon I don't know what this

2552
02:03:20,590 --> 02:03:17,390
is page 498 I can't he said balloon I

2553
02:03:22,090 --> 02:03:20,600
don't know what that is we're gonna get

2554
02:03:24,930 --> 02:03:22,100
this right here in Twitter in just a

2555
02:03:28,420 --> 02:03:24,940
second what are we looking at here

2556
02:03:30,490 --> 02:03:28,430
that's crazy that's a crazy shot little

2557
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:30,500
quick background on this whenever I

2558
02:03:36,790 --> 02:03:34,250
finally came forward Lord this in 1995

2559
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:36,800
went to the conference were homeland was

2560
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:38,690
putting on Gayle and invited him over to

2561
02:03:44,170 --> 02:03:40,610
my house to take a look at the archive

2562
02:03:46,540 --> 02:03:44,180
and while we're looking at the my wife

2563
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:46,550
comes up and says what's this thing this

2564
02:03:50,230 --> 02:03:48,530
bubble where we got to look at it oh my

2565
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:50,240
god because you can see a cable coming

2566
02:03:54,070 --> 02:03:52,010
from the bottom of it where it is

2567
02:03:55,890 --> 02:03:54,080
attached to the lunar surface going up

2568
02:03:59,620 --> 02:03:55,900
into the shadow of the Clipper Canyon

2569
02:04:03,190 --> 02:03:59,630
like where this balloon is it's very

2570
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:03,200
similar to helium using helium-3 which

2571
02:04:08,050 --> 02:04:05,450
is so much in abundance on the lunar

2572
02:04:09,610 --> 02:04:08,060
surface the only thing that we can come

2573
02:04:12,520 --> 02:04:09,620
up with it Brett Knight come up with and

2574
02:04:17,980 --> 02:04:12,530
they pick up a minute is that it was a

2575
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:17,990
way of taking the helium-3 and putting

2576
02:04:21,490 --> 02:04:19,280
it in a gondola and put it there and

2577
02:04:24,130 --> 02:04:21,500
then lift it up off the lunar surface so

2578
02:04:26,610 --> 02:04:24,140
it can be picked up by a craft and use

2579
02:04:30,300 --> 02:04:26,620
because it's something of high demand

2580
02:04:33,250 --> 02:04:30,310
yeah it also exactly like the old

2581
02:04:37,210 --> 02:04:33,260
raccoon a rocket balloon experiments

2582
02:04:40,390 --> 02:04:37,220
that the Van Alen actually used to

2583
02:04:43,330 --> 02:04:40,400
discover the Van Allen belt and so

2584
02:04:46,210 --> 02:04:43,340
as the radiation they also used that

2585
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:46,220
experiment on the surface of Venus to

2586
02:04:50,890 --> 02:04:49,010
test the atmosphere and what would

2587
02:04:53,530 --> 02:04:50,900
happen is the Sun would come up and heat

2588
02:04:56,170 --> 02:04:53,540
up the balloon with the whatever's in it

2589
02:04:58,120 --> 02:04:56,180
and it would take the balloon up into

2590
02:04:59,890 --> 02:04:58,130
the atmosphere and when the Sun went

2591
02:05:03,760 --> 02:04:59,900
down it would go back down to the

2592
02:05:06,550 --> 02:05:03,770
surface because of the it would be get

2593
02:05:12,070 --> 02:05:06,560
cooled off you know now this image is

2594
02:05:14,770 --> 02:05:12,080
from Apollo 12 and and looking at it

2595
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:14,780
there are a couple of straight lines

2596
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:18,080
here that that are very very interesting

2597
02:05:23,200 --> 02:05:19,520
there's stuff going out on the surface

2598
02:05:25,390 --> 02:05:23,210
too as well around whatever this is it

2599
02:05:28,360 --> 02:05:25,400
does look like a balloon that's that's

2600
02:05:32,260 --> 02:05:28,370
what it and it looks like it's in motion

2601
02:05:42,300 --> 02:05:32,270
right that it's that it's moving up how

2602
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:44,860
that would that would be on the far side

2603
02:05:51,010 --> 02:05:47,530
of the Moon during the earth rise image

2604
02:05:54,460 --> 02:05:51,020
so not real close to the to the antenna

2605
02:05:56,650 --> 02:05:54,470
array that we looked at earlier okay now

2606
02:05:58,930 --> 02:05:56,660
when you looked at the original image

2607
02:06:03,010 --> 02:05:58,940
it's funny Ken that your wife saw it

2608
02:06:05,770 --> 02:06:03,020
before you did but right when you looked

2609
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:05,780
at the original image how big is this

2610
02:06:12,420 --> 02:06:10,400
object it's enormous that that's a very

2611
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:12,430
large crater right in front of it

2612
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:19,520
that is crazy do you you know sometimes

2613
02:06:23,380 --> 02:06:21,890
I'm at a loss for words and I can't get

2614
02:06:29,260 --> 02:06:23,390
the questions out because I'm too busy

2615
02:06:31,980 --> 02:06:29,270
looking at this how okay so what was the

2616
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:31,990
context of this shot the original

2617
02:06:40,300 --> 02:06:36,800
eight-by-ten there well there's the

2618
02:06:47,260 --> 02:06:40,310
context of the original eight-by-ten

2619
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:47,270
image not sure what you're asking is the

2620
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:49,520
Earthrise image i was the Earthrise

2621
02:06:51,950 --> 02:06:51,440
image got it got it so the earth is in

2622
02:06:54,170 --> 02:06:51,960
the background

2623
02:06:56,510 --> 02:06:54,180
got it okay so this was close to the

2624
02:07:01,850 --> 02:06:56,520
foreground so it wasn't exactly fuzzy

2625
02:07:05,570 --> 02:07:01,860
now can I ask you can ask you the

2626
02:07:09,320 --> 02:07:05,580
dumbest question ever and the published

2627
02:07:13,850 --> 02:07:09,330
NASA version of this obviously this

2628
02:07:17,120 --> 02:07:13,860
isn't there no there is um even in the

2629
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:17,130
published version there's it looks like

2630
02:07:24,380 --> 02:07:21,450
a little sketch mark where they could

2631
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:24,390
say that it was just a light lighting

2632
02:07:34,370 --> 02:07:31,290
issue that is crazy this this line that

2633
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:34,380
is next to it to the left which is going

2634
02:07:38,570 --> 02:07:35,690
up at ten o'clock

2635
02:07:41,300 --> 02:07:38,580
that looks really interesting too as

2636
02:07:43,130 --> 02:07:41,310
well any idea what that is well there

2637
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:43,140
during the rocket balloon experiments

2638
02:07:49,700 --> 02:07:45,810
they also had that line that that when

2639
02:07:52,130 --> 02:07:49,710
receded back from the balloon right you

2640
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:52,140
know they get down the hole like that

2641
02:07:58,760 --> 02:07:55,110
kind of experiment to me yeah why that

2642
02:08:01,430 --> 02:07:58,770
isn't incredible again you know it's I

2643
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:01,440
hate to repeat myself but you need an

2644
02:08:09,260 --> 02:08:06,570
explanation and I would love to hear

2645
02:08:11,959 --> 02:08:09,270
what NASA has to say about that you know

2646
02:08:14,209 --> 02:08:11,969
looking at the original image looking at

2647
02:08:17,290 --> 02:08:14,219
the doctorate image and just explain to

2648
02:08:20,900 --> 02:08:17,300
me what we're seeing here because it

2649
02:08:22,910 --> 02:08:20,910
good they probably won't tell you you

2650
02:08:25,430 --> 02:08:22,920
know I've got some folks over at NASA no

2651
02:08:29,630 --> 02:08:25,440
I'm I'm feeling like I need to make a

2652
02:08:32,030 --> 02:08:29,640
phone call tomorrow yeah those two they

2653
02:08:33,890 --> 02:08:32,040
got out of you know retired from NASA he

2654
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:33,900
says maybe I wish I could talk about it

2655
02:08:38,810 --> 02:08:36,810
all the stuff I've seen that's just

2656
02:08:41,180 --> 02:08:38,820
incredible things I get so shocked

2657
02:08:43,100 --> 02:08:41,190
they're so shocked at it they don't even

2658
02:08:44,510 --> 02:08:43,110
know how to respond now whatever you

2659
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,520
tell them because they've never seen

2660
02:08:48,350 --> 02:08:46,320
this stuff is where they've been lied to

2661
02:08:50,810 --> 02:08:48,360
as they go along

2662
02:08:53,479 --> 02:08:50,820
yeah what I mean what this tells me is

2663
02:08:55,610 --> 02:08:53,489
that that no one's really you know in

2664
02:08:57,530 --> 02:08:55,620
the public has not seen what's actually

2665
02:09:00,620 --> 02:08:57,540
on the surface of the Moon or their

2666
02:09:03,459 --> 02:09:00,630
experiments or anything else okay let's

2667
02:09:09,399 --> 02:09:03,469
go to page

2668
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:09,409
490 Rita page 490 and this is the

2669
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:18,690
masonry on the on the on the edge I

2670
02:09:22,759 --> 02:09:20,249
don't know how to explain what I'm

2671
02:09:25,879 --> 02:09:22,769
looking at right and yeah on the horizon

2672
02:09:30,680 --> 02:09:25,889
I'm too busy tripping out I'm definitely

2673
02:09:34,339 --> 02:09:30,690
tripping out okay so we've got two

2674
02:09:37,459 --> 02:09:34,349
objects here in this shot one on the

2675
02:09:38,810 --> 02:09:37,469
left one on the right and I like the way

2676
02:09:41,149 --> 02:09:38,820
that you break this down this is

2677
02:09:43,540 --> 02:09:41,159
definitely a 90-degree angle I totally

2678
02:09:49,370 --> 02:09:43,550
agree with that let's talk about the

2679
02:09:52,640 --> 02:09:49,380
this anomaly on the right my first

2680
02:09:57,739 --> 02:09:52,650
question is how how tall is is this from

2681
02:10:02,390 --> 02:09:57,749
the surface this would probably come up

2682
02:10:05,899 --> 02:10:02,400
to your shoulders so this is you this is

2683
02:10:06,259 --> 02:10:05,909
about six feet tall yeah something like

2684
02:10:09,020 --> 02:10:06,269
that

2685
02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:09,030
oh no because you know they're basically

2686
02:10:15,140 --> 02:10:11,610
the the the one that took the picture

2687
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:15,150
the astronaut was looking at their

2688
02:10:20,180 --> 02:10:18,570
horizon across the way and maybe it's a

2689
02:10:23,629 --> 02:10:20,190
little taller than people I don't know

2690
02:10:25,939 --> 02:10:23,639
but it's definitely ruins on the horizon

2691
02:10:29,180 --> 02:10:25,949
and the object

2692
02:10:31,250 --> 02:10:29,190
yeah go ahead Ken now once you have

2693
02:10:34,399 --> 02:10:31,260
taken consideration that the the moon is

2694
02:10:36,589 --> 02:10:34,409
that much smaller that the and looking

2695
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:36,599
off at a distance goes already over the

2696
02:10:41,629 --> 02:10:39,360
curvature of the moon that is right on

2697
02:10:42,529 --> 02:10:41,639
the edge of going down the other side of

2698
02:10:45,219 --> 02:10:42,539
being a loser

2699
02:10:48,469 --> 02:10:45,229
I personally think that that could be

2700
02:10:52,069 --> 02:10:48,479
much more than just you know a lot

2701
02:10:55,250 --> 02:10:52,079
bigger than people sighs yeah see the

2702
02:10:58,250 --> 02:10:55,260
thing is right and and and everything

2703
02:11:00,489 --> 02:10:58,260
that we've seen published on the surface

2704
02:11:02,689 --> 02:11:00,499
of the Moon there's no there's no

2705
02:11:05,330 --> 02:11:02,699
protrusions like this there's no you

2706
02:11:08,689 --> 02:11:05,340
know everything is there's rocks and

2707
02:11:10,609 --> 02:11:08,699
there's stuff but that's all small and

2708
02:11:11,870 --> 02:11:10,619
around you know your feet and so for

2709
02:11:13,590 --> 02:11:11,880
there's nothing like this there's

2710
02:11:18,540 --> 02:11:13,600
nothing

2711
02:11:21,570 --> 02:11:18,550
a natural like this the object look at

2712
02:11:27,870 --> 02:11:21,580
that diagonal yeah that diagonal line is

2713
02:11:29,430 --> 02:11:27,880
crazy I've got this enlarged even a much

2714
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:29,440
bigger than what you've got here and

2715
02:11:38,730 --> 02:11:35,770
that that diagonal line is that's not

2716
02:11:42,870 --> 02:11:38,740
that's not natural the object on the

2717
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:42,880
left is very curious and and whatever it

2718
02:11:48,090 --> 02:11:46,000
is on the top of course they're gonna

2719
02:11:49,980 --> 02:11:48,100
say that that's a rock just sitting on

2720
02:11:53,370 --> 02:11:49,990
the you know that hasn't fallen down

2721
02:11:54,990 --> 02:11:53,380
that doesn't make any sense what do you

2722
02:11:57,210 --> 02:11:55,000
think we're looking at here Brett it

2723
02:12:00,450 --> 02:11:57,220
looks like it's about the same size as

2724
02:12:03,390 --> 02:12:00,460
the other object yeah it's about the

2725
02:12:05,220 --> 02:12:03,400
same closer sure it could be a big

2726
02:12:07,350 --> 02:12:05,230
boulder in the in the background but I'm

2727
02:12:09,690 --> 02:12:07,360
interested artistically in the

2728
02:12:12,450 --> 02:12:09,700
sculptural aspect of it right like it

2729
02:12:14,970 --> 02:12:12,460
has eyes and noses and my hope you know

2730
02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:14,980
very bizarre-looking yeah it is very

2731
02:12:20,660 --> 02:12:16,930
bizarre that Boulder on the top doesn't

2732
02:12:23,160 --> 02:12:20,670
make any sense let me get this out here

2733
02:12:26,070 --> 02:12:23,170
we're sitting here talking about it nice

2734
02:12:28,380 --> 02:12:26,080
spaced getting it tweeted okay there it

2735
02:12:33,030 --> 02:12:28,390
is for everybody to take a look at now

2736
02:12:37,260 --> 02:12:33,040
the in the middle of the on the

2737
02:12:40,440 --> 02:12:37,270
left-hand side you've got a row of where

2738
02:12:44,370 --> 02:12:40,450
it says lunar ruins on the horizon that

2739
02:12:47,430 --> 02:12:44,380
horizontal face is very reminds you of

2740
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:47,440
Mars right that's the first thing but

2741
02:13:05,310 --> 02:13:00,140
what are we looking at here look like

2742
02:13:08,250 --> 02:13:05,320
okay Brett we we've lost you okay hold

2743
02:13:10,140 --> 02:13:08,260
on Brett if you can hear me I'm just

2744
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:10,150
gonna call you back I can we can't do

2745
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:12,370
that live on the air whatever that is I

2746
02:13:18,210 --> 02:13:15,930
mean just to reset this whole online

2747
02:13:19,980 --> 02:13:18,220
you'll find that happened a lot to us

2748
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:19,990
Jenny when we go online and we're

2749
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:20,880
putting out some of this information

2750
02:13:26,550 --> 02:13:23,440
they find some way to get in and start

2751
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:26,560
blocking my call or his call on business

2752
02:13:30,580 --> 02:13:27,770
so it's

2753
02:13:32,440 --> 02:13:30,590
this is not a normal thing this is the

2754
02:13:35,500 --> 02:13:32,450
attempt to try to shut us up I think

2755
02:13:38,410 --> 02:13:35,510
yeah it's not my first trip to this

2756
02:13:41,530 --> 02:13:38,420
barbecue okay Bret do we have you back

2757
02:13:44,830 --> 02:13:41,540
yeah I'm here see now you're clear okay

2758
02:13:47,640 --> 02:13:44,840
the sculpture architecture the third

2759
02:13:49,960 --> 02:13:47,650
image down on the left

2760
02:13:54,970 --> 02:13:49,970
what are we looking at here wow that's

2761
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:54,980
that's really interesting that if you if

2762
02:13:59,860 --> 02:13:56,480
you're looking at what we were looking

2763
02:14:03,160 --> 02:13:59,870
at before it's it's on the horizon it's

2764
02:14:08,440 --> 02:14:03,170
over to the right right and and it's

2765
02:14:12,090 --> 02:14:08,450
another some kind of sculptural looking

2766
02:14:14,410 --> 02:14:12,100
pieces you know that that look designed

2767
02:14:16,900 --> 02:14:14,420
you know that's why I call them that

2768
02:14:19,780 --> 02:14:16,910
yeah sculpture and architecture that's

2769
02:14:22,060 --> 02:14:19,790
that's an incredible set of stuff there

2770
02:14:27,520 --> 02:14:22,070
let's I'm looking at the clock I want to

2771
02:14:33,400 --> 02:14:27,530
get everything in let's go to we did

2772
02:14:40,570 --> 02:14:33,410
that page 499 Rita

2773
02:14:41,920 --> 02:14:40,580
okay now 499 I've seen this before maybe

2774
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:41,930
you guys showed it to me I've seen this

2775
02:14:48,640 --> 02:14:46,490
image before and I have I have no idea

2776
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:48,650
what the heck this is no what no I can

2777
02:14:53,970 --> 02:14:50,690
tell you what I think it is there's

2778
02:14:56,110 --> 02:14:53,980
somebody looking at the astronauts

2779
02:14:58,930 --> 02:14:56,120
that's what we have seen things like

2780
02:15:00,810 --> 02:14:58,940
that on Mars as well and let's get some

2781
02:15:03,220 --> 02:15:00,820
pictures of that but you're right it

2782
02:15:04,900 --> 02:15:03,230
well he describes it very good there

2783
02:15:07,750 --> 02:15:04,910
because you've got the one I'm not

2784
02:15:10,030 --> 02:15:07,760
taking the picture of that's not next to

2785
02:15:11,590 --> 02:15:10,040
the rover and so if it's he's taking the

2786
02:15:14,380 --> 02:15:11,600
picture and you look at the other Aspen

2787
02:15:16,060 --> 02:15:14,390
what's that one up it's a world not the

2788
02:15:21,040 --> 02:15:16,070
edge going up over towards one of the

2789
02:15:28,150 --> 02:15:21,050
mountains yeah who's number three who's

2790
02:15:29,590 --> 02:15:28,160
the visitor there Wow okay Brett oh I'll

2791
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:29,600
let you have fun with this what do you

2792
02:15:36,910 --> 02:15:33,050
think what do you think this is I think

2793
02:15:39,960 --> 02:15:36,920
that's that's one of the actual what

2794
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:39,970
they was one of the etheric type beings

2795
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:46,010
that's that's inner us and the color is

2796
02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:49,730
is what's really strange right you can

2797
02:15:57,390 --> 02:15:51,890
see the kinetic yeah you can see the

2798
02:16:03,790 --> 02:16:02,710
magnetic that is now I'm gonna back this

2799
02:16:08,140 --> 02:16:03,800
out a little bit

2800
02:16:11,320 --> 02:16:08,150
let me I've got to reach with the

2801
02:16:15,310 --> 02:16:11,330
distance here is pretty amazing because

2802
02:16:17,800 --> 02:16:15,320
if if we look at the size of the rover

2803
02:16:21,460 --> 02:16:17,810
we look at the distance here we don't

2804
02:16:21,700 --> 02:16:21,470
need to really imagine how far away that

2805
02:16:27,510 --> 02:16:21,710
is

2806
02:16:31,060 --> 02:16:27,520
I'm gonna guess and say hundred yards

2807
02:16:33,130 --> 02:16:31,070
right maybe more I ever say be more than

2808
02:16:35,050 --> 02:16:33,140
yeah a lot more than reason the ascots

2809
02:16:37,810 --> 02:16:35,060
commented is it you don't have any

2810
02:16:40,419 --> 02:16:37,820
natural surroundings that you can

2811
02:16:42,549 --> 02:16:40,429
estimate the size of something that

2812
02:16:44,799 --> 02:16:42,559
as in the atmosphere is absolutely in

2813
02:16:46,959 --> 02:16:44,809
almost no atmosphere it clear that could

2814
02:16:49,419 --> 02:16:46,969
be as much as you know several miles

2815
02:16:52,150 --> 02:16:49,429
away absolutely crystal clear on another

2816
02:16:53,530 --> 02:16:52,160
ridge going towards that mountain in the

2817
02:16:57,339 --> 02:16:53,540
background I don't think you can get it

2818
02:16:59,559 --> 02:16:57,349
a really reasonable estimate but the

2819
02:17:01,269 --> 02:16:59,569
size of that well actually yeah it looks

2820
02:17:03,639 --> 02:17:01,279
like guy on the surface over there yeah

2821
02:17:06,339 --> 02:17:03,649
well it's not the solar wind experiment

2822
02:17:10,059 --> 02:17:06,349
it's too big well see we have to look at

2823
02:17:14,650 --> 02:17:10,069
it yeah solar wind experiment we have to

2824
02:17:17,549 --> 02:17:14,660
look at it like this our eyes through

2825
02:17:19,959 --> 02:17:17,559
evolution we're seeing another human

2826
02:17:22,839 --> 02:17:19,969
we're seeing something six feet tall

2827
02:17:25,780 --> 02:17:22,849
that's you know that's just that's what

2828
02:17:28,500 --> 02:17:25,790
our brain is programmed to see so we're

2829
02:17:36,189 --> 02:17:28,510
assuming that's a hundred yards away but

2830
02:17:38,530 --> 02:17:36,199
it could be 50 feet tall yeah exactly

2831
02:17:41,439 --> 02:17:38,540
and and which in which case that would

2832
02:17:43,030 --> 02:17:41,449
be a long long ways away you look at the

2833
02:17:44,650 --> 02:17:43,040
mountain in the background and then it

2834
02:17:45,910 --> 02:17:44,660
starts to throw you off a little bit and

2835
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:45,920
you start thinking yourself that this

2836
02:17:51,570 --> 02:17:48,800
may be something really really large I

2837
02:17:57,610 --> 02:17:51,580
like the way you say apparition because

2838
02:18:00,129 --> 02:17:57,620
it could be it almost looks transparent

2839
02:18:03,700 --> 02:18:00,139
I guess is the right word holographic

2840
02:18:08,469 --> 02:18:03,710
all right am I saying this right it

2841
02:18:15,809 --> 02:18:08,479
looks like it could be a ghost yes I

2842
02:18:18,700 --> 02:18:15,819
like that Brett did we lose brighter

2843
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:18,710
Brett domain you again yeah don't make

2844
02:18:27,519 --> 02:18:21,290
me nervous Brett okay Brett T does it

2845
02:18:29,169 --> 02:18:27,529
look ghostly to you okay yeah we lost

2846
02:18:34,089 --> 02:18:29,179
bread again somebody's messing others

2847
02:18:36,669 --> 02:18:34,099
say and this yeah I don't I don't freak

2848
02:18:39,370 --> 02:18:36,679
out anymore can I used to freak out get

2849
02:18:43,990 --> 02:18:39,380
all upset and use bad words it's just

2850
02:18:45,700 --> 02:18:44,000
the way that it is but again if this

2851
02:18:48,129 --> 02:18:45,710
like the rest of these images

2852
02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:48,139
this is directly off of either a

2853
02:18:54,470 --> 02:18:51,529
negative or print correct this was

2854
02:18:57,200 --> 02:18:54,480
actually in a book time-life books

2855
02:18:59,540 --> 02:18:57,210
oh that's where the I noticed that's why

2856
02:19:01,880 --> 02:18:59,550
I brought it up because you can see the

2857
02:19:06,890 --> 02:19:01,890
four color process here for the printing

2858
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:06,900
that's correct okay so this image can we

2859
02:19:13,400 --> 02:19:10,880
don't have the original of this image I

2860
02:19:16,700 --> 02:19:13,410
don't publish seventeen no I had already

2861
02:19:19,100 --> 02:19:16,710
been transferred away from the lrl then

2862
02:19:22,400 --> 02:19:19,110
and in fact even though the skyline

2863
02:19:25,190 --> 02:19:22,410
thing was shut down from me so I wasn't

2864
02:19:26,900 --> 02:19:25,200
able to have that for very many of the

2865
02:19:30,530 --> 02:19:26,910
first generations fortunately I had a

2866
02:19:32,959 --> 02:19:30,540
good friend at the astronaut mail room

2867
02:19:35,030 --> 02:19:32,969
that gave me copies of a lot of more

2868
02:19:36,920 --> 02:19:35,040
things that happened after I left the

2869
02:19:40,100 --> 02:19:36,930
Luther King library but no I do not have

2870
02:19:42,110 --> 02:19:40,110
an actual copy of that one yeah

2871
02:19:44,270 --> 02:19:42,120
Karen just tweeted I called Brett

2872
02:19:48,020 --> 02:19:44,280
everyday for a month on the land why I

2873
02:19:50,660 --> 02:19:48,030
never had any issues tonight he does the

2874
02:19:55,740 --> 02:19:50,670
show and here you go

2875
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:01,860
oh here it is okay let's get this up for

2876
02:20:08,070 --> 02:20:04,570
everybody I didn't see this before we

2877
02:20:11,301 --> 02:20:08,080
didn't publish it Rita the next image

2878
02:20:19,650 --> 02:20:11,311
that I want you to get up Gemini 12 UFO

2879
02:20:21,420 --> 02:20:19,660
Gemini 12 UFO okay now now we can look

2880
02:20:24,330 --> 02:20:21,430
at this now we're looking at Gemini 12

2881
02:20:30,210 --> 02:20:24,340
there's the earth there's this object in

2882
02:20:41,761 --> 02:20:30,220
the background and that is that's a

2883
02:20:44,011 --> 02:20:41,771
friggin UFO that is now you know what I

2884
02:20:47,160 --> 02:20:44,021
like this image better than the

2885
02:20:49,591 --> 02:20:47,170
enlargement yeah I do too because you

2886
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:49,601
can see the Gemini craft in the

2887
02:20:57,810 --> 02:20:55,690
foreground is not okay Rita give as a

2888
02:21:00,750 --> 02:20:57,820
Aegina the Gina target yeah Aegina

2889
02:21:01,950 --> 02:21:00,760
target target crap and that says where

2890
02:21:06,060 --> 02:21:01,960
Buzz Aldrin was getting ready to go out

2891
02:21:07,830 --> 02:21:06,070
on his first EBA and go over and look I

2892
02:21:09,091 --> 02:21:07,840
actually have had before they were

2893
02:21:11,551 --> 02:21:09,101
everything published that we're still

2894
02:21:13,470 --> 02:21:11,561
classified top-secret the instrument

2895
02:21:16,020 --> 02:21:13,480
panel on the Agena target vehicles for

2896
02:21:18,450 --> 02:21:16,030
that Gemini flight so that's how the

2897
02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:18,460
image was okay so that's how it was

2898
02:21:21,631 --> 02:21:19,150
taken

2899
02:21:25,080 --> 02:21:21,641
obviously there's Gemini 12 right there

2900
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:25,090
buzzes in Gemini 12 he's in this craft

2901
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:27,010
correct right he's looking at the same

2902
02:21:35,670 --> 02:21:27,610
thing we are

2903
02:21:37,530 --> 02:21:35,680
I got you why that is not they're still

2904
02:21:45,570 --> 02:21:37,540
inside the Gemini spacecraft now wait a

2905
02:21:51,801 --> 02:21:45,580
minute now buzz okay help me out here I

2906
02:22:00,540 --> 02:21:57,750
hmm it would have to be the right okay

2907
02:22:04,890 --> 02:22:00,550
Allen yeah is Alan Shepard and Buzz

2908
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:04,900
Aldrin Gemini twice but so one of these

2909
02:22:10,110 --> 02:22:08,170
two guys looked out the window saw that

2910
02:22:11,640 --> 02:22:10,120
took the picture of this object even

2911
02:22:13,710 --> 02:22:11,650
taking a picture of anything else he

2912
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:13,720
wasn't taking that thing is staring at

2913
02:22:18,120 --> 02:22:16,090
him in the face that's what he took the

2914
02:22:22,770 --> 02:22:18,130
picture of and neither of these guys has

2915
02:22:24,990 --> 02:22:22,780
talked about this no of course not they

2916
02:22:27,660 --> 02:22:25,000
were sworn not to talk nor anything like

2917
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:27,670
that and I you know the astronauts are

2918
02:22:33,060 --> 02:22:30,970
heroes to me if they got into a rocket

2919
02:22:36,540 --> 02:22:33,070
full of a bunch of fuel like a like a

2920
02:22:39,390 --> 02:22:36,550
bomb and went up into space yeah you

2921
02:22:41,131 --> 02:22:39,400
know that he is is that yeah yeah you

2922
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:41,141
know I'm sure they kissed their Masonic

2923
02:22:45,030 --> 02:22:43,210
ring every time you know they lie about

2924
02:22:47,810 --> 02:22:45,040
stuff like this or have to not say

2925
02:22:50,670 --> 02:22:47,820
anything about it right but they saw it

2926
02:22:53,490 --> 02:22:50,680
our finger Mitchell saw what he saw - I

2927
02:22:57,600 --> 02:22:53,500
was with buzz and his I was with Buzz

2928
02:23:00,270 --> 02:22:57,610
and his wife for a day and you guys are

2929
02:23:06,930 --> 02:23:00,280
gonna laugh I didn't bring up any of

2930
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:06,940
this stuff what no no no we talked about

2931
02:23:11,761 --> 02:23:09,130
everything on and we talked about

2932
02:23:14,490 --> 02:23:11,771
everything we talked about but I this

2933
02:23:16,591 --> 02:23:14,500
was a zone I just wasn't gonna go into

2934
02:23:17,970 --> 02:23:16,601
well as long as you don't say that you

2935
02:23:21,930 --> 02:23:17,980
didn't we didn't go to the moon you

2936
02:23:24,120 --> 02:23:21,940
won't get punched in the face you know

2937
02:23:26,910 --> 02:23:24,130
it's still one of the great videos of

2938
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:26,920
all time and Brett Brett don't don't

2939
02:23:36,200 --> 02:23:30,250
kiss my Masonic ring either yeah I know

2940
02:23:40,110 --> 02:23:36,210
about yours but this is a really really

2941
02:23:42,210 --> 02:23:40,120
amazing image I mean it's it's got

2942
02:23:45,660 --> 02:23:42,220
everything in there where you've got the

2943
02:23:48,810 --> 02:23:45,670
earth you've got the spacecraft you've

2944
02:23:51,420 --> 02:23:48,820
got the context you've got the man-made

2945
02:23:55,430 --> 02:23:51,430
I should say spacecraft and then you've

2946
02:23:59,490 --> 02:23:55,440
got this object in the background that

2947
02:24:03,240 --> 02:23:59,500
looks to me judging from the way it's

2948
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:03,250
focused here that's probably you know a

2949
02:24:10,881 --> 02:24:06,970
hundred miles away you know or yeah yeah

2950
02:24:15,301 --> 02:24:10,891
and so I don't care if it's a mile away

2951
02:24:18,150 --> 02:24:15,311
but that is an object that's an object

2952
02:24:19,980 --> 02:24:18,160
that's a real that's a real shot that's

2953
02:24:21,690 --> 02:24:19,990
incredible how much that object looks

2954
02:24:22,520 --> 02:24:21,700
like that looks like the one that was on

2955
02:24:24,110 --> 02:24:22,530
the lunar surface

2956
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:24,120
that we took a picture oh you looked a

2957
02:24:29,450 --> 02:24:26,730
little bit earlier that odd shape of it

2958
02:24:31,671 --> 02:24:29,460
it's almost sitting horizontal right now

2959
02:24:34,341 --> 02:24:31,681
right like you had it you know tilted

2960
02:24:37,011 --> 02:24:34,351
sideways that looks identical right wow

2961
02:24:39,381 --> 02:24:37,021
that's an incredible shot okay I've only

2962
02:24:40,490 --> 02:24:39,391
got five minutes left here before we

2963
02:24:44,600 --> 02:24:40,500
have to say goodnight

2964
02:24:46,370 --> 02:24:44,610
so let's go to we've got your

2965
02:24:48,200 --> 02:24:46,380
performance letter I'll put this up

2966
02:24:58,430 --> 02:24:48,210
after the break

2967
02:24:59,540 --> 02:24:58,440
but this Rita taillights tell honey what

2968
02:25:03,381 --> 02:24:59,550
am I looking at yeah

2969
02:25:05,421 --> 02:25:03,391
Ted two lights how do you say that it's

2970
02:25:07,850 --> 02:25:05,431
it's breaths writing it's

2971
02:25:10,251 --> 02:25:07,860
supposed to say satellites but I was too

2972
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:10,261
excited so that's what it looks oh I see

2973
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:11,130
satellites

2974
02:25:21,770 --> 02:25:18,090
taillights okay again walk us through

2975
02:25:26,001 --> 02:25:21,780
this I'm going to get this up up on

2976
02:25:29,780 --> 02:25:26,011
Twitter right now and I see the

2977
02:25:33,320 --> 02:25:29,790
highlighted area I need you to walk me

2978
02:25:37,011 --> 02:25:33,330
through this okay go ahead this is not

2979
02:25:38,841 --> 02:25:37,021
far this is this is a you can see steel

2980
02:25:43,370 --> 02:25:38,851
Kousuke crater it's a little bit north

2981
02:25:45,620 --> 02:25:43,380
of where that big Manhattan sized

2982
02:25:48,410 --> 02:25:45,630
mothership is a little bit north of out

2983
02:25:50,990 --> 02:25:48,420
and you have the series of satellite

2984
02:25:53,780 --> 02:25:51,000
dishes along the crater and I showed

2985
02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:53,790
this at the as the Scottsdale conference

2986
02:25:59,870 --> 02:25:56,250
and a guy named Vance Davis came up to

2987
02:26:02,990 --> 02:25:59,880
us and said the NSA still has us working

2988
02:26:06,680 --> 02:26:03,000
on those things on the moon now there

2989
02:26:10,761 --> 02:26:06,690
are if you go to the left of that

2990
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:10,771
there's one two three four more oh yeah

2991
02:26:18,051 --> 02:26:16,530
a little squirt oh yeah that there there

2992
02:26:20,501 --> 02:26:18,061
you can see the shadow under them and

2993
02:26:23,961 --> 02:26:20,511
everything there's right there you know

2994
02:26:28,220 --> 02:26:23,971
man I love being able to blow these up

2995
02:26:30,381 --> 02:26:28,230
and look at this yeah yeah yeah Donna

2996
02:26:35,099 --> 02:26:30,391
here said we're interesting she said

2997
02:26:37,950 --> 02:26:35,109
they're facing away from the earth Wow

2998
02:26:39,360 --> 02:26:37,960
that's incredible okay how much time do

2999
02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:39,370
I have let's see if I can get one more

3000
02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:45,250
shot in let me retweet this and get this

3001
02:26:59,219 --> 02:26:51,850
out okay done and I had one more shot

3002
02:27:06,630 --> 02:27:02,389
I thought we had one called

3003
02:27:08,400 --> 02:27:06,640
moon okay no that's it okay that's

3004
02:27:11,099 --> 02:27:08,410
everything that's everything that you

3005
02:27:13,320 --> 02:27:11,109
guys sent us absolutely incredible and

3006
02:27:18,210 --> 02:27:13,330
and now Brett what do you have on your

3007
02:27:23,219 --> 02:27:18,220
website well on my website I haven't ads

3008
02:27:25,320 --> 02:27:23,229
from my book on the artworks no I've got

3009
02:27:27,990 --> 02:27:25,330
I've got some articles you know about

3010
02:27:33,480 --> 02:27:28,000
stuff that I found or believe in I'm

3011
02:27:36,809 --> 02:27:33,490
writing currently on a book called I'm

3012
02:27:39,179 --> 02:27:36,819
listening to Mars and are listening to

3013
02:27:42,270 --> 02:27:39,189
the planets and that's about our first

3014
02:27:45,929 --> 02:27:42,280
contact in 1924 with the radio telescope

3015
02:27:48,420 --> 02:27:45,939
and what about images you have images up

3016
02:27:49,920 --> 02:27:48,430
there for everybody I I don't but I'll

3017
02:27:51,240 --> 02:27:49,930
tell you what I'll put a bunch of them

3018
02:27:53,730 --> 02:27:51,250
up there okay

3019
02:27:55,349 --> 02:27:53,740
because I'm gonna I'm gonna send your

3020
02:27:57,450 --> 02:27:55,359
link out we don't have it up at Jimmy

3021
02:27:59,910 --> 02:27:57,460
Church radio calm tonight I'll have it

3022
02:28:02,130 --> 02:27:59,920
up there tomorrow and also people can go

3023
02:28:05,790 --> 02:28:02,140
to the lunar anomaly Research Society on

3024
02:28:08,760 --> 02:28:05,800
horrifying Facebook and see some of some

3025
02:28:11,490 --> 02:28:08,770
of those images there okay thank you so

3026
02:28:13,980 --> 02:28:11,500
much what an incredible show and for me

3027
02:28:16,650 --> 02:28:13,990
you know I you know I'm a child of the

3028
02:28:20,639 --> 02:28:16,660
60s I grew up in the 60s and 70s and and

3029
02:28:23,910 --> 02:28:20,649
went through all of these exciting times

3030
02:28:26,570 --> 02:28:23,920
and this was so much fun for me to go

3031
02:28:29,910 --> 02:28:26,580
through and look at these images and

3032
02:28:31,770 --> 02:28:29,920
Ken's website is right there at Jimmy

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02:28:34,650 --> 02:28:31,780
Church radio.com you can click on the

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links and go and visit and I just got

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02:28:38,969 --> 02:28:37,060
bread Colin calm up for everybody and

3036
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:38,979
it's out there in Twitter right now I

3037
02:28:43,230 --> 02:28:40,810
want to thank the both of you fantastic

3038
02:28:44,639 --> 02:28:43,240
show and I can't wait to get you both

3039
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:44,649
back out and we'll go through some more

3040
02:28:49,051 --> 02:28:47,290
images and have some more fun thanks

3041
02:28:54,660 --> 02:28:49,061
Jimmy it was great

3042
02:28:57,570 --> 02:28:54,670
thank you that's sort of thank you Ken

3043
02:29:02,060 --> 02:28:57,580
Thank You Brad and let's do it again

3044
02:29:09,870 --> 02:29:07,820
Brett Shepherd ken Johnston amazing work

3045
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amazing works so much fun

3046
02:29:13,591 --> 02:29:11,920
this is fade to black I'm euros Jimmy

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Church I'm gonna come right back and

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02:33:39,560 --> 02:33:37,060
[Music]

3126
02:33:44,750 --> 02:33:39,570
welcome back fade to black cameos Timmy

3127
02:33:47,921 --> 02:33:44,760
Church Ken Johnston amazing Brett

3128
02:33:50,631 --> 02:33:47,931
Shepherd thank you so much amazing

3129
02:33:52,551 --> 02:33:50,641
amazing I'm opening up the phone lines

3130
02:33:56,270 --> 02:33:52,561
right now did we go to the moon or not

3131
02:34:02,210 --> 02:33:56,280
all right did we go to the moon or not 3

3132
02:34:04,610 --> 02:34:02,220
2 3 8 2 5 5 0 4 5 or 3 2 3 2 7 5 9 6 9 5

3133
02:34:08,990 --> 02:34:04,620
did we go to the moon or not number one

3134
02:34:14,810 --> 02:34:09,000
number two these are images that are

3135
02:34:18,560 --> 02:34:14,820
very tough to explain I mean if I if I

3136
02:34:21,350 --> 02:34:18,570
was part of NASA you know I'm in that

3137
02:34:23,180 --> 02:34:21,360
you know the photo library and I'm

3138
02:34:26,091 --> 02:34:23,190
dealing with these negatives and looking

3139
02:34:27,950 --> 02:34:26,101
at a mat on light tables and and and

3140
02:34:31,700 --> 02:34:27,960
going through this stuff I'm asking

3141
02:34:38,020 --> 02:34:31,710
questions you know and that is for me

3142
02:34:40,370 --> 02:34:38,030
very hard to explain away it looks like

3143
02:34:43,551 --> 02:34:40,380
what okay

3144
02:34:47,900 --> 02:34:43,561
hold on here it's a very strange phone

3145
02:34:51,890 --> 02:34:47,910
call coming in I'm gonna go to hi you're

3146
02:34:55,341 --> 02:34:51,900
live on fade to black who's calling hi

3147
02:34:58,370 --> 02:34:55,351
Karen hi Karen I did see I saw the phone

3148
02:35:04,180 --> 02:34:58,380
number I'm like what's going on here the

3149
02:35:07,011 --> 02:35:04,190
same phone number right someone yes so

3150
02:35:11,990 --> 02:35:07,021
I've got other calls on hold so that's

3151
02:35:13,700 --> 02:35:12,000
what you're listening to their Karen so

3152
02:35:20,830 --> 02:35:13,710
what'd you think of the show what's

3153
02:35:24,850 --> 02:35:21,980
okay

3154
02:35:28,551 --> 02:35:24,860
I don't know I'm gonna hang up on that I

3155
02:35:30,171 --> 02:35:28,561
Karen you were hearing what so anyway I

3156
02:35:36,110 --> 02:35:30,181
got rid of that phone call whatever it

3157
02:35:38,660 --> 02:35:36,120
was something was interfering so again

3158
02:35:41,270 --> 02:35:38,670
you called me what's on your mind yeah

3159
02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:41,280
I'm the third part of the 18 there with

3160
02:35:45,410 --> 02:35:43,050
Ken and Brett and Brett's partner and

3161
02:35:48,770 --> 02:35:45,420
Ken's editor and I'm so excited thank

3162
02:35:49,580 --> 02:35:48,780
you so much for having the boys on I

3163
02:35:51,560 --> 02:35:49,590
feel like the kid

3164
02:35:55,280 --> 02:35:51,570
and module pilot you know they land on

3165
02:35:57,440 --> 02:35:55,290
the moon rock around we were joking

3166
02:35:59,240 --> 02:35:57,450
about that a minute ago but thank you so

3167
02:36:01,310 --> 02:35:59,250
much I just want to make sure people

3168
02:36:03,380 --> 02:36:01,320
kind of knew what's coming out we're

3169
02:36:05,150 --> 02:36:03,390
coming out to contact in the desert

3170
02:36:07,880 --> 02:36:05,160
we're super excited about that we're

3171
02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:07,890
doing Kemper going to be speaking we're

3172
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:09,450
going to be doing a combined workshop

3173
02:36:15,889 --> 02:36:13,290
we're kind of going over this whole case

3174
02:36:19,610 --> 02:36:15,899
of the based on the movement brett has

3175
02:36:21,560 --> 02:36:19,620
done a phenomenal job and we're running

3176
02:36:24,710 --> 02:36:21,570
out about three years of working with

3177
02:36:26,599 --> 02:36:24,720
Ken and you know having the archive on

3178
02:36:27,889 --> 02:36:26,609
are just so much it was annoying I mean

3179
02:36:30,020 --> 02:36:27,899
because we were like scanning it and

3180
02:36:31,610 --> 02:36:30,030
studying it and everything and they're

3181
02:36:33,260 --> 02:36:31,620
in these big giant folders so we're like

3182
02:36:35,469 --> 02:36:33,270
moving around so we like print something

3183
02:36:39,139 --> 02:36:35,479
on the computer you know I'm printer and

3184
02:36:41,510 --> 02:36:39,149
it's very exciting and I really want to

3185
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:41,520
urge people to go to the website we all

3186
02:36:45,110 --> 02:36:43,680
I think have to double check we we had

3187
02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:45,120
to do with website like three times

3188
02:36:48,200 --> 02:36:46,890
because it kept getting hacked but we

3189
02:36:50,540 --> 02:36:48,210
want to make sure people know about the

3190
02:36:53,570 --> 02:36:50,550
archives because the archive is posted

3191
02:36:56,389 --> 02:36:53,580
on a combined big thing called

3192
02:36:58,610 --> 02:36:56,399
archive.org you look at Ken Jeong stand

3193
02:37:02,210 --> 02:36:58,620
on archive.org because Brett

3194
02:37:04,670 --> 02:37:02,220
painstakingly like scanned all of the

3195
02:37:06,830 --> 02:37:04,680
photos all of the slides we don't want

3196
02:37:08,900 --> 02:37:06,840
you know no we don't want to be like you

3197
02:37:11,570 --> 02:37:08,910
know possibly we could hoard these

3198
02:37:13,820 --> 02:37:11,580
images to like find all the anomalies we

3199
02:37:16,310 --> 02:37:13,830
want it's kind of like a lot of eyeballs

3200
02:37:18,740 --> 02:37:16,320
on these pictures to have a look at

3201
02:37:20,840 --> 02:37:18,750
what's on there and we really want

3202
02:37:23,020 --> 02:37:20,850
people to get a grip on the fact that we

3203
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:23,030
need to start making our space agency

3204
02:37:29,179 --> 02:37:25,920
accountable to the public about this

3205
02:37:32,030 --> 02:37:29,189
manipulation that's been going on it was

3206
02:37:35,179 --> 02:37:32,040
originally like you know be smudging out

3207
02:37:37,610 --> 02:37:35,189
stuff and Donna here has testified to

3208
02:37:39,830 --> 02:37:37,620
that and now it's gone into CGI and

3209
02:37:42,410 --> 02:37:39,840
Brett wrote a book digital moon to talk

3210
02:37:45,400 --> 02:37:42,420
about that because now it's all CGI B

3211
02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:45,410
and this is really important because we

3212
02:37:51,620 --> 02:37:48,810
paid for it with our tax dollars that's

3213
02:37:55,550 --> 02:37:51,630
right and we did yeah that's right and I

3214
02:37:59,120 --> 02:37:55,560
also wanted to say really quick that me

3215
02:38:02,620 --> 02:37:59,130
being a fanboy here I lost track of

3216
02:38:05,500 --> 02:38:02,630
being a professional and didn't mention

3217
02:38:07,179 --> 02:38:05,510
in the desert yes Ken Johnson is going

3218
02:38:09,730 --> 02:38:07,189
to be out there so as Brett shows Karen

3219
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:09,740
and come and hang out with all of us

3220
02:38:16,179 --> 02:38:13,450
there and also Ken is going to be

3221
02:38:17,790 --> 02:38:16,189
leaving to Vancouver in a couple of days

3222
02:38:20,679 --> 02:38:17,800
what are you guys doing up there

3223
02:38:22,780 --> 02:38:20,689
we're not going with him you guys have

3224
02:38:25,840 --> 02:38:22,790
to do this trip so he's you know

3225
02:38:27,520 --> 02:38:25,850
sometimes we hang out is the 18 he likes

3226
02:38:29,590 --> 02:38:27,530
to call us and sometimes it goes and

3227
02:38:32,260 --> 02:38:29,600
does his own thing sometimes Brett and I

3228
02:38:35,230 --> 02:38:32,270
do our own thing so yeah we're going to

3229
02:38:37,630 --> 02:38:35,240
be in contact in the desert also Brett

3230
02:38:39,670 --> 02:38:37,640
and I used to live near Ken and we got

3231
02:38:42,700 --> 02:38:39,680
an opportunity to go to a really cool

3232
02:38:45,880 --> 02:38:42,710
place called Silver City New Mexico and

3233
02:38:48,370 --> 02:38:45,890
in September we will be having the Mars

3234
02:38:50,740 --> 02:38:48,380
anomaly Research Society conference

3235
02:38:53,740 --> 02:38:50,750
there but but we've opened it up to all

3236
02:38:55,240 --> 02:38:53,750
anomaly type topic so we'll be getting

3237
02:38:58,050 --> 02:38:55,250
information about that that's going to

3238
02:39:00,639 --> 02:38:58,060
be we're kind of a cool little western

3239
02:39:04,060 --> 02:39:00,649
artsy town out here in Silver City New

3240
02:39:06,310 --> 02:39:04,070
Mexico and we were intimate intimate

3241
02:39:08,620 --> 02:39:06,320
type of gathering where he could really

3242
02:39:10,929 --> 02:39:08,630
spend time talking again I mean he's

3243
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:10,939
very approachable you know when I first

3244
02:39:15,429 --> 02:39:13,610
you know when Brett and him started

3245
02:39:17,880 --> 02:39:15,439
talking I sort of thought Ken would be

3246
02:39:21,250 --> 02:39:17,890
one of those you know cigar-chomping

3247
02:39:24,219 --> 02:39:21,260
curmudgeon ex-marine pilots but he isn't

3248
02:39:27,610 --> 02:39:24,229
so he's kind of funny and Goofy and very

3249
02:39:29,860 --> 02:39:27,620
personable and will also have his new

3250
02:39:32,410 --> 02:39:29,870
second book coming out called regression

3251
02:39:34,780 --> 02:39:32,420
of a whistleblower a couple years ago he

3252
02:39:37,929 --> 02:39:34,790
had a regression session with dr. Sasha

3253
02:39:40,300 --> 02:39:37,939
a lesson is a hypnotherapist and it's

3254
02:39:42,460 --> 02:39:40,310
amazing and I'm editing it right now I'm

3255
02:39:44,860 --> 02:39:42,470
just going crazy excited about this

3256
02:39:46,990 --> 02:39:44,870
coming out so there's a lot going on in

3257
02:39:48,670 --> 02:39:47,000
our camp you know and we'd love to share

3258
02:39:50,710 --> 02:39:48,680
with people but we just really need more

3259
02:39:52,719 --> 02:39:50,720
people to look into it whenever it's

3260
02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:52,729
like Eric wakening man would show up and

3261
02:39:56,710 --> 02:39:55,130
John Polk and others we drag them over

3262
02:39:58,389 --> 02:39:56,720
to Kansas house like they come visit us

3263
02:40:00,429 --> 02:39:58,399
we take them over and see the archives

3264
02:40:02,230 --> 02:40:00,439
because we don't know with you know the

3265
02:40:04,690 --> 02:40:02,240
men and black type of thing how long

3266
02:40:06,280 --> 02:40:04,700
will have that archive available you

3267
02:40:09,550 --> 02:40:06,290
know Ken's been able to keep it but that

3268
02:40:11,440 --> 02:40:09,560
has been quite an achievement

3269
02:40:13,420 --> 02:40:11,450
to do that I mean I've lost most of my

3270
02:40:15,790 --> 02:40:13,430
stuff moving smeared there I'm using

3271
02:40:16,599 --> 02:40:15,800
managed to keep it and if the archive is

3272
02:40:19,329 --> 02:40:16,609
Whittle

3273
02:40:21,729 --> 02:40:19,339
and it's a testimony to the manipulation

3274
02:40:24,550 --> 02:40:21,739
that's been going on in it and as Ken

3275
02:40:28,179 --> 02:40:24,560
says all the time it's time it's time

3276
02:40:30,039 --> 02:40:28,189
for us to have full disclosure and he's

3277
02:40:32,199 --> 02:40:30,049
on board with that and with this

3278
02:40:35,829 --> 02:40:32,209
regression he shares his experience

3279
02:40:38,079 --> 02:40:35,839
there cited him which I did pushing him

3280
02:40:39,429 --> 02:40:38,089
to do because I'm so excited well I'm an

3281
02:40:41,379 --> 02:40:39,439
experienced or - and I've been doing

3282
02:40:43,419 --> 02:40:41,389
radio on that for a number of years and

3283
02:40:44,649 --> 02:40:43,429
I finally convinced them you know he was

3284
02:40:46,659 --> 02:40:44,659
always kind of worried about credibility

3285
02:40:48,849 --> 02:40:46,669
issues because you know trying to do

3286
02:40:50,739 --> 02:40:48,859
something quasi scientific here but I

3287
02:40:52,929 --> 02:40:50,749
told them look there's so many people

3288
02:40:55,689 --> 02:40:52,939
that are experiences it's important it's

3289
02:40:58,419 --> 02:40:55,699
important to get that on the record as

3290
02:41:00,760 --> 02:40:58,429
well so it's very exciting thank you so

3291
02:41:03,609 --> 02:41:00,770
much Karen and I look forward to hanging

3292
02:41:05,679 --> 02:41:03,619
out with you once again how to contact

3293
02:41:09,550 --> 02:41:05,689
in the desert thank you so much and

3294
02:41:11,050 --> 02:41:09,560
again give my best to Ken and and Brett

3295
02:41:16,959 --> 02:41:11,060
you guys are just doing amazing work

3296
02:41:18,699 --> 02:41:16,969
it's an alarm out of data that you guys

3297
02:41:21,279 --> 02:41:18,709
are sitting on top of and you're

3298
02:41:23,050 --> 02:41:21,289
absolutely right managing that is is a

3299
02:41:26,139 --> 02:41:23,060
really big deal so thank you for all of

3300
02:41:29,169 --> 02:41:26,149
your efforts Thank You Jimmy so excited

3301
02:41:29,469 --> 02:41:29,179
we're all fans too we'll see you in a

3302
02:41:31,989 --> 02:41:29,479
minute

3303
02:41:35,859 --> 02:41:31,999
Edie three three weeks that contact in

3304
02:41:41,669 --> 02:41:35,869
the desert oh my gosh I know we'll see

3305
02:41:46,229 --> 02:41:41,679
you then safe travels all right yeah but

3306
02:41:48,939 --> 02:41:46,239
the more that I look at this I remember

3307
02:41:53,469 --> 02:41:48,949
out of Roswell and I was just looking at

3308
02:41:55,389 --> 02:41:53,479
the volumes of of images that they have

3309
02:41:56,439 --> 02:41:55,399
it's it's absolutely incredible all

3310
02:41:59,369 --> 02:41:56,449
right let's go back to the phones how

3311
02:42:03,429 --> 02:41:59,379
your live on fade to black who's calling

3312
02:42:08,109 --> 02:42:03,439
you're live oh hello yeah you're live

3313
02:42:13,029 --> 02:42:08,119
right now hey this is Rick this is Rick

3314
02:42:17,529 --> 02:42:13,039
how are you great great show Jimmy thank

3315
02:42:20,769 --> 02:42:17,539
you so much I just wanted to recollect

3316
02:42:23,159 --> 02:42:20,779
on my memories of me and my family

3317
02:42:27,069 --> 02:42:23,169
sitting on the couch watching

3318
02:42:30,581 --> 02:42:27,079
moon-landing live and it didn't really

3319
02:42:34,691 --> 02:42:30,591
happen it was like devastate me

3320
02:42:38,441 --> 02:42:34,701
I was with I know I know

3321
02:42:42,640 --> 02:42:38,451
I was with my Uncle Bob a couple of

3322
02:42:47,501 --> 02:42:42,650
years ago in Florida and we were talking

3323
02:42:50,081 --> 02:42:47,511
about Apollo 11 and I was I remember

3324
02:42:53,680 --> 02:42:50,091
sitting with him he had this big chair

3325
02:42:57,161 --> 02:42:53,690
in front of this TV and we were watching

3326
02:43:00,011 --> 02:42:57,171
it live and and I was sitting with him

3327
02:43:02,201 --> 02:43:00,021
and he goes I'm a nice that was one of

3328
02:43:04,441 --> 02:43:02,211
my greatest memories with you know you

3329
02:43:07,600 --> 02:43:04,451
sitting there with me watching it and

3330
02:43:09,970 --> 02:43:07,610
and I hear I hear you man

3331
02:43:12,841 --> 02:43:09,980
I I totally hear you right now I hear

3332
02:43:15,731 --> 02:43:12,851
you loud and clear but I think that

3333
02:43:17,890 --> 02:43:15,741
there's that side of it but I I think

3334
02:43:19,661 --> 02:43:17,900
that we went to the moon but I think we

3335
02:43:22,331 --> 02:43:19,671
had a parallel we had something else

3336
02:43:24,491 --> 02:43:22,341
that was a little more advanced that was

3337
02:43:26,261 --> 02:43:24,501
going on at the same time that's just my

3338
02:43:29,501 --> 02:43:26,271
take and the only reason why I think

3339
02:43:32,321 --> 02:43:29,511
about that is because I've seen the

3340
02:43:34,841 --> 02:43:32,331
Apollo capsules you know I went up and

3341
02:43:37,211 --> 02:43:34,851
and and stuck my head in the door and

3342
02:43:43,720 --> 02:43:37,221
looked inside of it and I'm telling you

3343
02:43:45,430 --> 02:43:43,730
back in 1968 69 1970 if somebody told me

3344
02:43:47,501 --> 02:43:45,440
I was good you know they were gonna

3345
02:43:48,581 --> 02:43:47,511
strap me in that and shoot me to the

3346
02:43:53,741 --> 02:43:48,591
moon

3347
02:43:57,640 --> 02:43:53,751
I wouldn't go no way no there's no way

3348
02:43:59,801 --> 02:43:57,650
away yeah yeah thank you so great thank

3349
02:44:03,131 --> 02:43:59,811
you so much yeah yeah go ahead

3350
02:44:05,201 --> 02:44:03,141
yeah tell Rita I said hi and I think

3351
02:44:07,241 --> 02:44:05,211
she's awesome yeah I think she's awesome

3352
02:44:09,521 --> 02:44:07,251
too and I will tell her Rick well you

3353
02:44:12,220 --> 02:44:09,531
just did but I'll do it after the hind

3354
02:44:12,701 --> 02:44:12,230
every behind every good man is a great

3355
02:44:15,311 --> 02:44:12,711
woman

3356
02:44:18,850 --> 02:44:15,321
yep that's truer words have never been

3357
02:44:21,631 --> 02:44:18,860
spoken my friend thank you sir you have

3358
02:44:24,131 --> 02:44:21,641
a good night yeah you too Rick thank you

3359
02:44:26,231 --> 02:44:24,141
yeah that would be devastating

3360
02:44:31,301 --> 02:44:26,241
wouldn't it right that would just be

3361
02:44:37,991 --> 02:44:31,311
absolutely devastating but it comes down

3362
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:38,001
to for me when we look at when we look

3363
02:44:53,410 --> 02:44:46,420
and I want to be right about this we

3364
02:44:55,900 --> 02:44:53,420
have the the aspect of the Van Allen

3365
02:44:59,620 --> 02:44:55,910
radiation belt we have the technology

3366
02:45:01,360 --> 02:44:59,630
that we had back then the computers that

3367
02:45:02,890 --> 02:45:01,370
were involved and if you think about

3368
02:45:06,610 --> 02:45:02,900
this that we're talking about slide

3369
02:45:09,670 --> 02:45:06,620
rules and calculators and and and things

3370
02:45:11,620 --> 02:45:09,680
like that it's it's a mind blowing

3371
02:45:15,360 --> 02:45:11,630
situation that we are able to pull that

3372
02:45:18,610 --> 02:45:15,370
off and when you think about the moon

3373
02:45:23,440 --> 02:45:18,620
moving it's in orbit right it's moving

3374
02:45:27,250 --> 02:45:23,450
or Mars right it's it's moving earth is

3375
02:45:30,761 --> 02:45:27,260
moving around the Sun and now you can

3376
02:45:33,670 --> 02:45:30,771
look at it and see it but it's a whole

3377
02:45:37,300 --> 02:45:33,680
nother aspect of getting there and the

3378
02:45:40,330 --> 02:45:37,310
timing right and it's like I can't

3379
02:45:45,340 --> 02:45:40,340
imagine how perfect everything has to be

3380
02:45:49,660 --> 02:45:45,350
but meanwhile all of the other parts of

3381
02:45:54,930 --> 02:45:49,670
it spacesuits oxygen heat the Sun the

3382
02:45:58,270 --> 02:45:54,940
cold space now that part of it and the

3383
02:45:59,890 --> 02:45:58,280
the trajectory that's going on the Sun

3384
02:46:02,410 --> 02:45:59,900
always heating up one side of the

3385
02:46:04,180 --> 02:46:02,420
spacecraft going through the radiation

3386
02:46:07,390 --> 02:46:04,190
belt the thinness of that what the

3387
02:46:09,130 --> 02:46:07,400
spacesuits were made out of and and I

3388
02:46:11,310 --> 02:46:09,140
combined all of that and I'm just

3389
02:46:15,250 --> 02:46:11,320
thinking about just a logistical

3390
02:46:20,110 --> 02:46:15,260
technical side it just doesn't seem

3391
02:46:21,670 --> 02:46:20,120
right is it is difficult to do today all

3392
02:46:23,950 --> 02:46:21,680
right it's difficult to do today we

3393
02:46:25,780 --> 02:46:23,960
haven't been back so and you know that's

3394
02:46:29,479 --> 02:46:25,790
just me that's how my brain works how

3395
02:46:32,449 --> 02:46:29,489
you live on fade to black who's calling

3396
02:46:37,099 --> 02:46:32,459
your lie whoa yes you're live are you in

3397
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:37,109
a bar no I'm in a truck okay here at a

3398
02:46:42,559 --> 02:46:39,600
truck same thing how you doing who's

3399
02:46:44,960 --> 02:46:42,569
calling hey good Jimmy hey my name is

3400
02:46:47,119 --> 02:46:44,970
Dave I'm from Milwaukee I wanted to tell

3401
02:46:52,369 --> 02:46:47,129
you about a couple of sightings I had

3402
02:46:54,619 --> 02:46:52,379
one last summer was incredible and

3403
02:46:56,539 --> 02:46:54,629
unfortunately I didn't get to see it for

3404
02:46:58,880 --> 02:46:56,549
all that long

3405
02:47:01,909 --> 02:46:58,890
we were actually outside at the pool

3406
02:47:03,619 --> 02:47:01,919
came back into the apartment my

3407
02:47:06,829 --> 02:47:03,629
girlfriend went out on the front porch

3408
02:47:09,710 --> 02:47:06,839
now we do live close to the airport in

3409
02:47:11,239 --> 02:47:09,720
Milwaukee but you know she was out on

3410
02:47:14,090 --> 02:47:11,249
the porch for a couple of minutes and

3411
02:47:16,460 --> 02:47:14,100
here tap or bang on the patio door and I

3412
02:47:19,159 --> 02:47:16,470
really don't pay any attention to it she

3413
02:47:21,679 --> 02:47:19,169
does it again finally she calls my name

3414
02:47:25,880 --> 02:47:21,689
after a couple of minutes I walk out

3415
02:47:28,729 --> 02:47:25,890
onto the patio and this thing was

3416
02:47:31,819 --> 02:47:28,739
probably three four hundred feet away

3417
02:47:34,760 --> 02:47:31,829
from us you know and I've talked to her

3418
02:47:36,710 --> 02:47:34,770
after we kind of saw this I ran as soon

3419
02:47:39,409 --> 02:47:36,720
as I saw I ran back into the apartment

3420
02:47:42,399 --> 02:47:39,419
to grab my phone to get video of it

3421
02:47:44,869 --> 02:47:42,409
right and by the time I came back out

3422
02:47:48,170 --> 02:47:44,879
started filming the thing went around

3423
02:47:50,869 --> 02:47:48,180
the corner of the building and I never

3424
02:47:52,939 --> 02:47:50,879
did get it on camera and I you know it's

3425
02:47:54,679 --> 02:47:52,949
my girlfriend why didn't you go and get

3426
02:47:57,229 --> 02:47:54,689
your phone why didn't you yell for me to

3427
02:48:00,319 --> 02:47:57,239
come out there she was just so in awe

3428
02:48:02,329 --> 02:48:00,329
right what she thought she's like frozen

3429
02:48:05,210 --> 02:48:02,339
chicken roll kind of a thing well

3430
02:48:07,279 --> 02:48:05,220
Danny's in a hard time dealing with what

3431
02:48:09,170 --> 02:48:07,289
she was seeing I know you're driving a

3432
02:48:11,749 --> 02:48:09,180
truck right now and I appreciate you

3433
02:48:13,880 --> 02:48:11,759
calling in and so I don't mean to

3434
02:48:18,769 --> 02:48:13,890
interrupt you and your driving at the

3435
02:48:21,229 --> 02:48:18,779
same time but what did it look like so

3436
02:48:25,309 --> 02:48:21,239
what'd it look like and you know was

3437
02:48:29,239 --> 02:48:25,319
hard to tell if it was all connected or

3438
02:48:34,249 --> 02:48:29,249
if it was all three basically triangular

3439
02:48:37,219 --> 02:48:34,259
shaped each corner of the triangle it

3440
02:48:40,039 --> 02:48:37,229
was like a round high now it was hard to

3441
02:48:42,580 --> 02:48:40,049
tell because it was almost high level it

3442
02:48:45,010 --> 02:48:42,590
was hard to tell if they were connected

3443
02:48:49,870 --> 02:48:45,020
or separate but in a very tight

3444
02:48:52,450 --> 02:48:49,880
formation completely silent and it was

3445
02:48:55,030 --> 02:48:52,460
not moving very fast at all just kind of

3446
02:48:57,550 --> 02:48:55,040
floating along you know was probably

3447
02:48:59,889 --> 02:48:57,560
four or five hundred feet off the ground

3448
02:49:00,940 --> 02:48:59,899
and like I say a couple hundred feet

3449
02:49:06,820 --> 02:49:00,950
away from us

3450
02:49:11,770 --> 02:49:06,830
Brava says very close how big was it you

3451
02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:11,780
know maybe the size of a van minivan

3452
02:49:20,340 --> 02:49:14,810
maybe a little bit larger the weird

3453
02:49:23,590 --> 02:49:20,350
thing about it was the next day we had

3454
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:23,600
incredible amounts of military aircraft

3455
02:49:31,540 --> 02:49:27,200
flying around that area so basically

3456
02:49:34,120 --> 02:49:31,550
around our complex in that area is there

3457
02:49:39,910 --> 02:49:34,130
up in Milwaukee is there an Air Force

3458
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:39,920
Base there might be yeah I don't know

3459
02:49:44,349 --> 02:49:42,080
like one I I don't remember hearing

3460
02:49:47,340 --> 02:49:44,359
about one I mean I grew up you know very

3461
02:49:50,620 --> 02:49:47,350
close to there but I don't remember

3462
02:49:53,290 --> 02:49:50,630
anyway where would the military craft

3463
02:49:55,240 --> 02:49:53,300
have come from well you have a Great

3464
02:49:57,790 --> 02:49:55,250
Lakes Naval Station they may have some

3465
02:49:59,130 --> 02:49:57,800
aircraft down there right just north of

3466
02:50:03,310 --> 02:49:59,140
Chicago

3467
02:50:07,030 --> 02:50:03,320
but but there are Air Force bases in

3468
02:50:10,719 --> 02:50:07,040
Illinois but I don't know I don't know

3469
02:50:12,940 --> 02:50:10,729
about Wisconsin that's interesting what

3470
02:50:16,150 --> 02:50:12,950
kind of military aircraft was it like

3471
02:50:18,760 --> 02:50:16,160
black helicopters what was it yeah yeah

3472
02:50:24,450 --> 02:50:18,770
helicopters and you never saw those

3473
02:50:28,690 --> 02:50:24,460
before right no every once in a while

3474
02:50:32,200 --> 02:50:28,700
you'll see the Jets performing practice

3475
02:50:34,810 --> 02:50:32,210
maneuvers at the airport but that's

3476
02:50:37,090 --> 02:50:34,820
every once in a while Rob you know I've

3477
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:37,100
lived in this general area pretty much

3478
02:50:41,980 --> 02:50:39,439
my whole life and yeah I really never

3479
02:50:44,200 --> 02:50:41,990
see anything like that so you had one of

3480
02:50:46,690 --> 02:50:44,210
the doctors you had one of the most

3481
02:50:50,920 --> 02:50:46,700
amazing sightings I've ever heard and

3482
02:50:52,660 --> 02:50:50,930
you didn't get it on video I know and I

3483
02:50:55,551 --> 02:50:52,670
was listening to one of your old shows

3484
02:50:58,850 --> 02:50:55,561
about you know it taking good

3485
02:51:01,700 --> 02:50:58,860
good pictures in order for this you know

3486
02:51:04,040 --> 02:51:01,710
start coming out mark and I mean that as

3487
02:51:06,711 --> 02:51:04,050
soon as I saw I turned around to grab my

3488
02:51:08,091 --> 02:51:06,721
phone went back and it already kind of

3489
02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:08,101
went around the corner of the building

3490
02:51:13,790 --> 02:51:10,650
but it was it was unbelievable and then

3491
02:51:16,160 --> 02:51:13,800
the second one we had I was up in

3492
02:51:18,381 --> 02:51:16,170
northern Wisconsin at my brother's house

3493
02:51:21,801 --> 02:51:18,391
we had got done eating went outside

3494
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:21,811
we're standing in his driveway we look

3495
02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:24,570
up into the sky and we're following this

3496
02:51:29,690 --> 02:51:27,690
light moving pretty high in the sky and

3497
02:51:31,190 --> 02:51:29,700
then all sudden it was like you could

3498
02:51:33,860 --> 02:51:31,200
see it like somebody was holding a

3499
02:51:36,921 --> 02:51:33,870
flashlight and then turn to the light

3500
02:51:41,060 --> 02:51:36,931
toward you and I swear to God the ground

3501
02:51:45,230 --> 02:51:41,070
around us and lit up say what can't

3502
02:51:47,600 --> 02:51:45,240
explain that one either yeah yeah so the

3503
02:51:50,631 --> 02:51:47,610
picture you know if you're standing in a

3504
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:50,641
dark room and let's say you're watching

3505
02:51:57,680 --> 02:51:55,200
somebody walk perpendicular to you

3506
02:52:00,381 --> 02:51:57,690
holding a flashlight and then they were

3507
02:52:06,020 --> 02:52:00,391
to slowly turn that flashlight and point

3508
02:52:09,350 --> 02:52:06,030
it right at you and then it just it just

3509
02:52:12,530 --> 02:52:09,360
was gone you know so that that area

3510
02:52:15,290 --> 02:52:12,540
around us lit up it was the craziest

3511
02:52:16,881 --> 02:52:15,300
thing how high how high up was it that

3512
02:52:20,870 --> 02:52:16,891
sounds like one of the sightings that

3513
02:52:23,950 --> 02:52:20,880
I've described here a few times it was

3514
02:52:27,200 --> 02:52:23,960
pretty damn high yeah it was up there

3515
02:52:30,110 --> 02:52:27,210
you know couple of miles right

3516
02:52:32,240 --> 02:52:30,120
it sounds like exactly what happened to

3517
02:52:34,131 --> 02:52:32,250
us up at East Eddie I'm sure you've

3518
02:52:36,680 --> 02:52:34,141
heard me tell the story you know many

3519
02:52:39,501 --> 02:52:36,690
times I don't need to go through again

3520
02:52:42,051 --> 02:52:39,511
but it was I'm guessing a mile high and

3521
02:52:43,910 --> 02:52:42,061
that thing flashed just like a camera

3522
02:52:47,091 --> 02:52:43,920
flash that's the best way I could

3523
02:52:49,180 --> 02:52:47,101
explain it hey Dave I got a question for

3524
02:52:51,770 --> 02:52:49,190
you this just popped up in Twitter and

3525
02:52:56,301 --> 02:52:51,780
since I have you on the line I wanted to

3526
02:52:59,001 --> 02:52:56,311
ask you do you remember those those food

3527
02:53:02,330 --> 02:52:59,011
sticks that the astronauts used to eat

3528
02:53:05,660 --> 02:53:02,340
back in the 70s those food sticks and

3529
02:53:08,610 --> 02:53:05,670
they came in the tin foil and you could

3530
02:53:10,710 --> 02:53:08,620
buy them like with

3531
02:53:13,530 --> 02:53:10,720
are you not old enough know that they

3532
02:53:15,810 --> 02:53:13,540
were big into the dehydrated food with

3533
02:53:18,080 --> 02:53:15,820
all that they were like I don't even

3534
02:53:21,990 --> 02:53:18,090
know how to explain him and it was like

3535
02:53:24,150 --> 02:53:22,000
that's like cookie dough in a stick okay

3536
02:53:25,710 --> 02:53:24,160
I'm trying to remember their name of it

3537
02:53:31,650 --> 02:53:25,720
and they're talking about it right now

3538
02:53:33,720 --> 02:53:31,660
on Twitter and I don't know I can't

3539
02:53:36,600 --> 02:53:33,730
remember the name I totally remember

3540
02:53:38,450 --> 02:53:36,610
them the peanut butter ones were amazing

3541
02:53:41,400 --> 02:53:38,460
the chocolate ones were good too but and

3542
02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:41,410
they were it was a stick it was like the

3543
02:53:46,170 --> 02:53:44,170
size of a pencil and it was wrapped in

3544
02:53:50,520 --> 02:53:46,180
tin foil and he could peel it and he ate

3545
02:53:53,220 --> 02:53:50,530
it and there was a name for it I can't

3546
02:53:56,520 --> 02:53:53,230
remember hey Dave what kind of truck do

3547
02:53:59,360 --> 02:53:56,530
you drive I'm actually I'm in a semi

3548
02:54:00,480 --> 02:53:59,370
yeah what kind what kind of tractor

3549
02:54:04,500 --> 02:54:00,490
Freightliner

3550
02:54:09,090 --> 02:54:04,510
the freight liner automatic 12 automatic

3551
02:54:16,980 --> 02:54:09,100
now it's only a 10 it's a 10 speed so

3552
02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:16,990
how long have you been driving here six

3553
02:54:31,800 --> 02:54:19,930
years so you can yeah so you can drive

3554
02:54:33,510 --> 02:54:31,810
and talk at the same time yeah I'm just

3555
02:54:35,520 --> 02:54:33,520
messing with you man I'm just messing

3556
02:54:40,110 --> 02:54:35,530
with you so yeah are you delivering I

3557
02:54:43,770 --> 02:54:40,120
are you like you got a full load I'm

3558
02:54:48,420 --> 02:54:43,780
hauling you're hauling steel so you're

3559
02:54:50,340 --> 02:54:48,430
at what 60,000 pounds full weight 80,000

3560
02:54:53,130 --> 02:54:50,350
eighty that's what I'm talking about

3561
02:54:55,110 --> 02:54:53,140
Dave that's a man world right there

3562
02:54:56,910 --> 02:54:55,120
that's a man's world thank you so much

3563
02:54:59,760 --> 02:54:56,920
for calling in and sharing that with us

3564
02:55:01,680 --> 02:54:59,770
next time yeah you bet that was pretty I

3565
02:55:03,510 --> 02:55:01,690
had to call and tell you about it

3566
02:55:05,640 --> 02:55:03,520
because it was unbelievable and I just

3567
02:55:07,740 --> 02:55:05,650
you know I can understand what my

3568
02:55:10,320 --> 02:55:07,750
girlfriend just being frozen there she

3569
02:55:13,940 --> 02:55:10,330
had a hard time dealing with what she

3570
02:55:15,510 --> 02:55:13,950
was seeing but it was incredible

3571
02:55:17,230 --> 02:55:15,520
absolutely incredible

3572
02:55:19,110 --> 02:55:17,240
we you know look and

3573
02:55:23,680 --> 02:55:19,120
you don't have to feel strange about it

3574
02:55:25,690 --> 02:55:23,690
I have been around so many different

3575
02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:25,700
sightings and I've only managed to take

3576
02:55:32,640 --> 02:55:28,250
a picture once the other pictures I have

3577
02:55:35,020 --> 02:55:32,650
are accidental but as far as taking out

3578
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:35,030
something and shooting a video at that

3579
02:55:40,030 --> 02:55:37,130
moment no you don't think about that I'm

3580
02:55:42,160 --> 02:55:40,040
guilty of it so don't just I'm just glad

3581
02:55:43,780 --> 02:55:42,170
that you had the experience and you had

3582
02:55:45,551 --> 02:55:43,790
it with your girlfriend and you shared

3583
02:55:46,530 --> 02:55:45,561
it with us here on fade to black thank

3584
02:56:01,381 --> 02:55:46,540
you

3585
02:56:04,140 --> 02:56:01,391
that's a great phone call right there

3586
02:56:07,120 --> 02:56:04,150
Freightliner delivering steel in

3587
02:56:10,261 --> 02:56:07,130
Wisconsin that's a man's world right

3588
02:56:14,051 --> 02:56:10,271
there that's an incredible sighting and

3589
02:56:17,680 --> 02:56:14,061
there's so many out there that are

3590
02:56:21,070 --> 02:56:17,690
skeptical or don't believe and those

3591
02:56:22,870 --> 02:56:21,080
that do believe that have brought up

3592
02:56:25,511 --> 02:56:22,880
that question over and over again where

3593
02:56:28,450 --> 02:56:25,521
is the perfect shot I brought it up I've

3594
02:56:34,240 --> 02:56:28,460
been bringing it up for 20-25 years but

3595
02:56:37,091 --> 02:56:34,250
it's difficult it's not easy to do the

3596
02:56:39,070 --> 02:56:37,101
sightings that I've had and and I have

3597
02:56:41,650 --> 02:56:39,080
no idea what the number is right I don't

3598
02:56:45,490 --> 02:56:41,660
know how many sightings I have had at

3599
02:56:49,690 --> 02:56:45,500
this point but I can tell you that I've

3600
02:56:54,160 --> 02:56:49,700
taken I've got like two images one on

3601
02:56:56,131 --> 02:56:54,170
film the famous triangle shot and the

3602
02:56:59,410 --> 02:56:56,141
black triangle and then the other one

3603
02:57:01,120 --> 02:56:59,420
that was taken up at East SETI when I

3604
02:57:06,881 --> 02:57:01,130
was shooting the cave and that weird

3605
02:57:08,890 --> 02:57:06,891
craft was next to Mount Adams other than

3606
02:57:11,080 --> 02:57:08,900
that I mean I haven't taken any shots

3607
02:57:13,511 --> 02:57:11,090
I've been out there doing all of these

3608
02:57:16,301 --> 02:57:13,521
night watches and we've had days time

3609
02:57:17,890 --> 02:57:16,311
sightings and I've seen that just the

3610
02:57:21,190 --> 02:57:17,900
craziest stuff I haven't taken a picture

3611
02:57:24,370 --> 02:57:21,200
of anything you know so I and and some

3612
02:57:26,711 --> 02:57:24,380
of it what most of it happens so quickly

3613
02:57:28,870 --> 02:57:26,721
that by the time you take out your phone

3614
02:57:30,969 --> 02:57:28,880
and fire up the camera it's gone and

3615
02:57:33,219 --> 02:57:30,979
that's if you even thought of

3616
02:57:35,289 --> 02:57:33,229
pulling it off so what do you do you've

3617
02:57:37,779 --> 02:57:35,299
got a choice do you stand and enjoy the

3618
02:57:40,179 --> 02:57:37,789
moment and take it all in and try to

3619
02:57:42,760 --> 02:57:40,189
remember it do you do that or do you

3620
02:57:45,399 --> 02:57:42,770
fumble around with your camera phone and

3621
02:57:47,769 --> 02:57:45,409
blow it you know and those are your

3622
02:57:49,599 --> 02:57:47,779
choices so I I totally get it

3623
02:57:54,069 --> 02:57:49,609
you know unless you're standing there

3624
02:57:56,889 --> 02:57:54,079
ready and waiting and good to go it's a

3625
02:57:59,349 --> 02:57:56,899
it's just gonna pass you by all right

3626
02:58:03,429 --> 02:57:59,359
fade to black what a great show tonight

3627
02:58:05,649 --> 02:58:03,439
got a thing can Johnston Brett Shepherd

3628
02:58:07,510 --> 02:58:05,659
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3629
02:58:11,590 --> 02:58:07,520
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3630
02:58:13,659 --> 02:58:11,600
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3632
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3640
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